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Thread: What does "GD" stand for in the UED SCBW Cinematic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. peasant View Post
    Precisely. That means, the annual growth rate was on average 1.4%; a long way off from your 6%. At 6%, the population would double in 12 years, not 50.
    Okay, I'll admit that sounds a bit whacked, but either it's canon, or the Dominion is way overestimating the number of Terrans around. The latter is entirely possible, given that, despite being at least 100 years colonised, Korhal had a population of only 4 million when it was destroyed.

    Considering the planets the Terrans colonized had their own ecosystems, habitats and native wildlife, there's a high probability that there would be some risk of diseases.
    That assumes a similar biochemistry to the local bugs, by no means a certainty.

    Moreover, the dangers of pioneering that I'm talking about are those associated with the work that needs to be done to set up basic infrastructure and resource gathering.
    That assumes the ships don't themselves include sufficient materials and equipment to set up an infrastructure fairly rapidly (mining drones, farming drones, prefab structures etc.)

    That's not what I'm saying at all! What I am saying is that without major breakthroughs in healthcare, the population growth rate isn't going to dramatically increase.
    What if the ships included artificial wombs as well as cold-sleepers, a mix of suspended animation and frozen embryos.

    Just a reminder that by token of living longer, it would reason that people would look younger despite being chronologically older.
    Assuming that was correct, and that your idea of the K-Sector method of measuring time is correct, it still can't explain why his date-of-birth is given in earth-years, not in this K-sector time measurement you're taking about.

    Issues like how the Terrans could reach a population count of billions from an original count of 32,000 (8,000 died in a crash). Assuming the population is also 3.2 billion (which it is most certainly much, much higher), that would mean the Terrans have somehow increased their population by a hundred thousand fold in 200 years.
    This assumes that billions is an accurate figure and not just Dominion propaganda. This being the case, longer K-sector years can't explain it away due to the fact that all the dates given in the timeline are in earth-years, thus those numbers have to be correct, and either there 'has' been a stead 6% growth rate (or alternately ~15 years initial setting-up, followed by 6.5% growth), or the growth rate started off lower, but then grew higher (8% gets you there in ~150 years).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattII View Post
    Okay, I'll admit that sounds a bit whacked, but either it's canon, or the Dominion is way overestimating the number of Terrans around. The latter is entirely possible, given that, despite being at least 100 years colonised, Korhal had a population of only 4 million when it was destroyed.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattII View Post
    That assumes a similar biochemistry to the local bugs, by no means a certainty.
    Agree on both counts.

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    That assumes the ships don't themselves include sufficient materials and equipment to set up an infrastructure fairly rapidly (mining drones, farming drones, prefab structures etc.)
    They probably had. But as the original colony was separated, all parties likely didn't have access to everything they needed (i.e. no vessel was completely self contained but as a whole, they had everything needed to set up shop). This is somewhat indicated seeing as how only the Tarsonians had access to ATLAS where as the Morians were the best miners.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattII View Post
    What if the ships included artificial wombs as well as cold-sleepers, a mix of suspended animation and frozen embryos.
    Hmm... freeze dried babies... cool!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MattII View Post
    Assuming that was correct, and that your idea of the K-Sector method of measuring time is correct, it still can't explain why his date-of-birth is given in earth-years, not in this K-sector time measurement you're taking about.
    If you're talking about Stukov, they used the C.B. dating system because it was a UED news report.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattII View Post
    This assumes that billions is an accurate figure and not just Dominion propaganda. This being the case, longer K-sector years can't explain it away due to the fact that all the dates given in the timeline are in earth-years, thus those numbers have to be correct, and either there 'has' been a stead 6% growth rate (or alternately ~15 years initial setting-up, followed by 6.5% growth), or the growth rate started off lower, but then grew higher (8% gets you there in ~150 years).
    I dunno... an 8% annual growth rate would indicate that close to 1 in every 5 women (assuming male:female = 1:1) would become pregnant every year (assuming a few failed pregnancies) including children. That's kind of gross.

    I think I'd be more comfortable with the notion that 'the number of casualties have been greatly exaggerated' and that the Terrans are 'grossly ignorant of their total population'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. peasant View Post
    They probably had. But as the original colony was separated, all parties likely didn't have access to everything they needed (i.e. no vessel was completely self contained but as a whole, they had everything needed to set up shop). This is somewhat indicated seeing as how only the Tarsonians had access to ATLAS where as the Morians were the best miners.
    This sounds a bit like part of Joe Haldeman's 'Forever Free' where 5 ships (cold-sleep escape pods actually) contain all the bit needed to start a civilisation, but each has only the skimpiest supplies, but in one field, in which it carries like more than half the equipment.

    If you're talking about Stukov, they used the C.B. dating system because it was a UED news report.
    Actually I was talking about Raynor, the wikia gives his date-of-birth, or at least year-of-birth as 2470.

    I dunno... an 8% annual growth rate would indicate that close to 1 in every 5 women (assuming male:female = 1:1) would become pregnant every year (assuming a few failed pregnancies) including children. That's kind of gross.

    I think I'd be more comfortable with the notion that 'the number of casualties have been greatly exaggerated' and that the Terrans are 'grossly ignorant of their total population'.
    I'm not sure, because even at 1/10 the population of 6% constant growth for the 200 years, the growth rate is 4.8%, still way higher than anything we've ever experienced on earth. At the 2.2% that represents the highest earth growth rate to date, the K-sector population comes out at a shade below 2.5 million, not even enough for Korhal, let alone a whole sector.

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