Blizzard Reiterates: Mothership being crappy is a-ok

[spychi]

Clearly the joke went over your heads. You know, cause the Mothership is basically just the housing unit for Vortex, and all anyone ever gets the Mothership for is Vortex... yeah, you guys are sad.

I use it for it's mass recall against turtling terran turds or turtling protoss, just to get to their main and destroy all their tech

[DemolitionSquid]

I use it for it's mass recall against turtling terran turds or turtling protoss, just to get to their main and destroy all their tech

Stargate + Fleet Beacon + Mothership = 850/750

Why wouldn't you just use the Robo Bay you should already have, buy a few Warp-Prisms, and warp-into his base with all the time and money you saved building gateways instead?

[spychi]

Stargate + Fleet Beacon + Mothership = 850/750

Why wouldn't you just use the Robo Bay you should already have, buy a few Warp-Prisms, and warp-into his base with all the time and money you saved building gateways instead?

because the punishment factor is alot more satisfactionary
when you humiliate your opponent, yet sometimes the MS get's quite useful, I won few games because of the cloaking field

[Twilice]

I hate cloaking field it reduces my fps to below zero.

*Also it is the same with broodlords.

[Blasterion]

what they need to let the Mothership do is to teleport between Nexuses. Wormhole transit used to work with buildings in general but having this ability lets the mothership perform its role better, as a expo defender. Port to a nexus and recall the army to defend an expo, and give mothership increased mana regen when near a nexus

[Blazur]

what they need to let the Mothership do is to teleport between Nexuses. Wormhole transit used to work with buildings in general but having this ability lets the mothership perform its role better, as a expo defender. Port to a nexus and recall the army to defend an expo, and give mothership increased mana regen when near a nexus

That's kinda of cool...I can get behind that idea.

[Blasterion]

and have it be able to radiate a pylon field "toggle" (still mobile but will drain mana if it moves)

[pure.Wasted]

I agree that the Mothership being crappy is a-OK. What I don't agree with -- very strongly -- is Blizzard admitting that.

The world isn't going to implode if the Mothership continues being useless. The game won't suddenly stop being interesting. Everything will go on normally. The problem is, we don't want it to go on normally, we want it to be getting better all the time.

If Blizz is thinking, "let's wait until HOTS and then revamp things when we're revamping things," then I agree. It might be OK for the Mothership to be crappy for now, as long as they have plans to make use of the unit slot in the future. But then they should say that.

They should also have an open mind toward changing it sooner rather than later. Already they've admitted that the TvP match-up might be inherently imbalanced, forcing the use of certain units, giving the races different advantages at different timings. They've admitted they might need to rework the MU from the ground up. Well if they do that, big changes are going to occur anyway, so they might as well use the opportunity to try new things with the Mothership. What's the worst that could happen, imbalance? With the sort of changes they need to implement to make TvP more than a one-trick pony, imbalance is virtually guaranteed as is. Might as well get the most out of it that they can.

[Lupino]

epic post

Todie picked up on it correctly, rather than get involved in my own post of epicness the idea of a strict one-unit limit isn't necessarily a bad one, especially (and here's the key) if the unit is of such epic proportions that having more than one would be game-breaking (fitting in with racial characteristics is just icing on the cake). This is something I do approve of, because it would change up the game dynamics and force players to confront a new challenge with new strategies. Such a unit would further differentiate the game even more from its previous version.

Now, if the unit itself was not so awesomely awesome as to make the game assume the fetal position if there were more than two, then the hard one unit limit would be a bit harder to justify. I could see an argument whereby you make said unit so expensive that getting more than one, unless you have an overwhelming expansion advantage/playing money maps, simply not cost effective. However, I don't think even taking that away from the current version of MS would make it any more popular or useful, since it still retains all of its other flaws.

That is not necessarily true. It took years for players to realize that vultures where good in Starcraft 1. In any case, from my experience, the mothership pop up all the time in games that last to late game. Sure, this is mostly in team games but still. Each time I saw it in play, the vortex changed the outcome of most battles. I mean 400/400 to cloak your entire army and have the ability to split the enemy army is worth it. Of course you won't go buy one if you're army is not already complete but if two 200 supply army are gonna duke it out, I'd rather have a vortex than 2 colossi 4 zealots or whatever else you'd make with the resources.

The fact that you're only seeing it in team games is proof enough of its limited versatility: were it an actual unit of some worth, you would see it more often in both team and individual matches. And given that many of its "advantages" can be too easily negated (who doesn't have detectors by that point in the game?), damn right I'd rather have a few High Templars or Void Rays instead.

Nope. They said it was possibly the case.

Semantics, that they even admit the possibility would be damning enough, but we all know no company would willingly and publicly admit "yeah, part of our product is crap, and we don't plan on changing that anytime soon."

I doubt you could find a replay that a well-placed vortex did not change the outcomes of a battle.

I've yet to find one so far. I suppose I'll admit some kind of trick play like Vortex + Nuke would count, but that just proves the limited utility the spell has; unless you've found a secret Protoss stockpile of WMDs available for 1v1 games.

[JackhammerIV]

Bloody Huk and his mothership rushes. LOL. Dreamhack group stage Bo1 HukvTarson casted by TotalBiscuit. He uses it in such a cool way that people can almost hope it can be used in a normal game. Almost.:P Got a win off it though. Even though the Terran scouted it.