There's an unscoutable 2 rax rush on asia right now

[Todie]

reddit is some good shit.

Artosis is reffering to if the Z goes hatch first. If Z goes pool first, speedlings and one crawler will stop this with ease.

I have won the last 9 TvZ's that go 14 hatch with this build hes talking about. He says its unscoutable because you do 1 rax in base and 1 maka rax rally marines to the Z expo and pull 5-6 scvs with rine support. Have 1 scv build a bunker while your rines and other scvs make short work of any lings. Stutter step micro is so effective vs non-speed lings which are impossible to get this fast if you hatch first. If the Z somehow manages to survive this you just switch to tanks and do a quick tank push.

stop please. completely not what im reffering to. i never go hatch first, its a gamble build.

first off, i never said "Unbeatable". It is beatable, but it is extremely hard to scout correctly. marines catch drones very fast, and a handful of marines at the front make it very hard to see if this is infact what he is doing.

there is a new build on the asian server which is basically a marine / scv timing rush. they often times use a scan to see exactly what you have 1 time and adjust the attack timing to fit it. its far better than the rushes foxer was doing to nestea.

roaches probably would stop it, but if they use that scan i was talking about, they simply expand and your economy is quite bad with a handful of roaches. its quite a hard build to play vs right now on the asian server, and getting very popular.

source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...c_id=170183#16

this sounds icky..

[minerals]

ick...

[Gradius]

Ran into a version of this during some PvT. I made 2 early stalkers which I microed alot, but the guy had 6 marines and basically all his SCVs coming. Couldn't really stop it.

[GnaReffotsirk]

Mules should get a nerf.

[Todie]

with P i guess you have more of a shot, maybe if you get those stalekrs out and in his face asap, youl ahve enough leeway to mciro back while killing some marines, before getting cornered in your base & having to use lots of probes. idk im no good with p at all.

... anyway, the name for it is the chi-town two-rax ... (as named by a fake kanye-west replying to Artosis tweet.. i like the name but not the strat, tho i havnt faced it yet i think.

[spychi]

this sounds silly...
there is an unscoutable Mothership rush! ffs everything is scoutable

[Todie]

the thing is, if you need to scout at 7-8 to see it in time, that means you will be behind significantly if your opnent is going for a more normal build...

[spychi]

the thing is, if you need to scout at 7-8 to see it in time, that means you will be behind significantly if your opnent is going for a more normal build...

which is your fault, not because something is imba or unscoutable

[Todie]

what is my fault exactly?

im being purely hypothetical here, but if i am FORCED to scout so early that its crippling, to HAVE A CHANCE to defend against a certain rush, then this is a possible source of imbalance. (in the actual case, marines kill the first scout and denies further intel by positioning at ramp)

... a terran that does this can be going for this sort of allin marine scv rush, or expand, or tech to a slightly later powerpush.

... i think a sacrificed overlord might help, if imed corectly, but these thngs move so slow that the starting poistions and scout-patterns of teh OL's become crucial - some very random factors..

the other day i lost to a horribly executed 1base 2port banshee rush, because he placed his tech too far back for me to see it and i "only" had two spores and 2 queens and lair just finished when he attacked (because felt obligated to prepare for about 4 other probably timing-attacks that could have been coming)

... im not acutaly calling imbalance here(n'or "not" imbalance), im just saying, it can be frustrating, and if it goes on, it might force zergs to go for early aggression / poking much more often even knowing they may well lose units and fail to cause worthwhile damage - this, just to be sure to gather information on their opponents build so that they can adjust their continued build accordingly.

[Castozor]

It seems pretty hard to scout although I don't think I will see play like that in my league. And even if it happens, it will probably be poorly executed giving me a better change to make Banelings in time.
Also, is this build the one showed in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKzth5e3VPo