Metzen and his team should retire?

[TheEconomist]

Being irrational and calling for the retirement/firing of one of the original creators =/= "becoming impatient and sick of excuses for the poor story". Besides, more people agree that Mezten SHOULD NOT be fired/retired than do.


But, seriously bro, they've had the story arch for the trilogy for years now. I'm sure they've made some changes but for the most part its been there for a while. The comparison of "6 years vs 18-24 months", in my opinion, shows your ignorance of Blizzard's own statements as well as how game development in general is progressed. My recommendation to you is to stop bitching and start trying to be constructive. Firing Chris Metzen WOULD NOT help the series. If anything, the newer additions should be fired. Although, I do not believe we have given them enough time to judge them.

I should just get a hummer, grab a few people and start a roadtrip.

SHOTGUN!

[Louis]

Is this a serious topic, or are you trying to be funny?

Well judging by the poll its safe to say more and more people are becoming impatient and sick of excuses for the poor story.
Considering they had something like 6 years to develop a story vs 18 to 24 months now, things aren't looking too promising.

Blizzard are nearing their 20th anniversary. If you think you know more about a creative collaboration process then what are you waiting for? Send them your resume right now, I'm sure they'll be really impressed.

[spychi]

they had soo much time to create a story, my bet goes that they didn't have everything completed one or two years ago

btw if you people actually belive in every statement they make than there is no point in discussion about this
simple example: what is the speed of battle reports - normal... NOT, I compared the speed of a BR and a replay after the release, those are not equal speeds (why the lie? because they were scared about people complaining how SC2 is not dynamic, BR normal speed in reality was the "faster") but that is completly off the problem we have here
Metzen and some other guys got caught with their pants down by a simple dedicated WarCraft Universe fan at BC 2010... if you make the lore than you should be aware of everything, and don't even get me started with how they "could not remember that or this"

I would like to see how the campaign building process looked like after WWI in Korea, I bet my money that they just throwed an idea, they left it as it was claiming that is ready, 1 year before the release they started doing something with it meanwhile poluting the air

I want to see fresh blood in the team, but it's too late to make any moves at this point
Tell me guys who was the worst actor in WoL and why? my vote goes for Kerrigan, which is the main character in the whole universe... this is how they cared about the story, they would hire Glynn if they would actually care, Glyn's voice samples in the productions were awesome

you want guys want to see epic voice acting and story in my opinion?


not sure yet? well:

honestly, I could just give links to walktrough's of both ME 1 and ME2

[dustinbrowder]

You have a poll of less than 50 people, majority of which are saying "No, don't fire the people who CREATED THE STARCRAFT UNIVERSE.". By looking at your words, your votes could have went from 1 to 2 and you could say "well, more and more people are wanting to say no!".

Let's also realize that you are putting this poll on an sc2 website, you will specifically be targeting SC2 gaming enthusiasts instead of the general population who purchased the game. This poll, unfortunately, has no actual worth in terms of supporting a point.

You're also moving forward under the assumption that hiring a new writing team will create a "better" game moving forward.

Sorry Dustin, but I see a massive amount of logical holes in your mentality on this thread. I would jokingly say that I'd take a stroll through the holes.. but they are so large and are so numerous, I should just get a hummer, grab a few people and start a roadtrip.

Sorry you feel that way Gifted, but its true, poll don't lie.

And I haven't said anything about firing the team, heck I've not said anything about retiring. I've asked a question and let it run, I've not come forward and written my opinion.

Having said that, from my second post in this thread I do imply 6 years vs 18 months doesn't look good for delivering a great story, that is true, but again I have not written my opinion about the question.

[Louis]

Dustin, you do realise that those 6 years happened to include creating a whole engine, the editor, gameplay design, a full rewrite of the story, levels and cinematics which they decided to change halfway through development and probably some other stuff I haven't even thought of yet?

I'd say that 18 months for an expansion with a few MP tweaks and a new part of the story is a very generous amount of time.

[dustinbrowder]

Dustin, you do realise that those 6 years happened to include creating a whole engine, the editor, gameplay design, a full rewrite of the story, levels and cinematics which they decided to change halfway through development and probably some other stuff I haven't even thought of yet?

I'd say that 18 months for an expansion with a few MP tweaks and a new part of the story is a very generous amount of time.

As if Dustin and Craig wrote the story. It was a separate team and yes they had full 6 years. If they were writing 1 line per day for 3 years and than iterate on it for the next 3 years, the story would have been better.

[Norfindel]

What you're proposing is too drastic of a measure. I didn't voted because of that. However, if you made a poll about "Are you satisfied with WoL story and acting"? With options Yes and No, i bet it would be like 90% No.

[Gifted]

Sorry you feel that way Gifted, but its true, poll don't lie.

And I haven't said anything about firing the team, heck I've not said anything about retiring. I've asked a question and let it run, I've not come forward and written my opinion.

Having said that, from my second post in this thread I do imply 6 years vs 18 months doesn't look good for delivering a great story, that is true, but again I have not written my opinion about the question.

Thanks for clarifying this and I offer an apology for the obvious reasons.

Regarding the poll though, You _HAVE_ to know that it's just going to feed the trolls, aka Spychi in this case, until a close happens. It's not trying to get solid two sided discussion going on, from the moment you hit "post poll" it's immediate negative connotation is merely attempting to feed the "mob mentality". This is a tactic that ArcherofAuir absolutely managed to perfect before he took a break from posting in these forums. The only difference is that your angles are original and your own. I highly suspect it wasn't your intention, but I suspect it will be the result.

I will say that your interpretation of the data is skewed though, You're moving forward attempting to say that literally 10 people (ballpark) are proving a point in a community of millions. I can walk out on the street and say "Hey, who here likes cats better than dogs?", get 5 people agree and 20 people disagree and set the same standards for discussion that "cats are on the up and up, catching up with dogs".

Ultimately I'm just trying to make a simple point, you're taking data and taking it into a completely wrong perspective.

[TheEconomist]

@Spychi: Blizzard changed the speed NUMEROUS times even after beta started. What makes you so certain they didn't do the same thing before beta?

Sorry you feel that way Gifted, but its true, poll don't lie.

What? The only possible explanation for this that I can think of is that your English is so bad that you don't know what it is you asked in each poll option.

[Arkalis]

This is a tactic that ArcherofAuir absolutely managed to perfect before he took a break from posting in these forums.

I know its off-topic, but anyone have any idea what happened to him? Medical College got tough? I miss his structured arguments that lead to confrontation.