With Voids nerfed, cant do this (me vs #2 rank in world)

[Skyze]

So, with this recent bullshit patch, totally going to ruin the game balance.

I'll share a game I played recently, vs AlLabOutyOu, the #2 ranked player in the world at 2500 diamond (www.SC2ranks.com)

Besides the point he tried 7raxing me, and the fact he did the lame floating hellion crap, he also got up 2 bunkers and barricaded himself in his base. If the void rays were as they are in this new patch, theres NO way I would of been able to do anything, I cant expo because his army would just walk over mine, and I couldnt attack because his bunkers are retardedly strong (Not to mention, you can salvage bunkers for 100%, how balanced is that)

Anyways, goodbye to beating any decent terran now I guess. Ground units all suck vs marauders, and now voids suck too.

[spychi]

I will go on and agree with you, alot of Terran players that would switch to P or Z would suck soo fcking hard because Terrans are mostly no-brainers and they push with their Marauders like god damn cunts
blizz favoring T starts to piss me off

[Skyze]

its just you cant fight them as a ground army because marauders ruin everything protoss has on the ground.. and now you cant fight them with an air army either. Not to mention bunkers, they can build 10 bunkers at their expo if they want, knowing full well they will get ALL that money back as soon as they feel like it, and shit if any protoss ground army can break 10 bunkers filled with marine/marauder..

[Todie]

it will indeed be harder to use VR to bust entrenched positions like this, but the unit will also be more versatile in back n forth fights across the map, where the low L1 damage previously made it utterly useless.

.. this is some new ground, and im not qualified to srsly judge, but 100% buff vs armored before charge-up has to have some impact!

[Hammy]

But why would you expect to beat the #2 player in the world anyways?

I don't quite understand the correlation between the replay and your assumption that the matchup is imbalanced. Isn't he a better player than you?...Hence the rank?

edit: well, I just watched the replay and it displays pretty clearly how much this change was necessary

[Gradius]

I just tried this strat in a custom game. The difference is quite severe actually. I don't plan on mixing voids into my army anymore tbh.

I've heard good things about kcdc's 1-gate FE build, so I'm going to go check that out.

[ooZer0]

Besides the point he tried 7raxing me, and the fact he did the lame floating hellion crap, he also got up 2 bunkers and barricaded himself in his base. If the void rays were as they are in this new patch, theres NO way I would of been able to do anything, I cant expo because his army would just walk over mine, and I couldnt attack because his bunkers are retardedly strong (Not to mention, you can salvage bunkers for 100%, how balanced is that)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this at all. Perhaps you uploaded the wrong rep or something, because your description of the game isn't even close to what that game actually was.

First he never at any point came close to going 7 rax. He only made 2 Barracks in the entire game, then teched to cloak banshees. That first sentence is a baseless claim. And truthfully, that "floating hellion crap" was the funniest thing I have ever seen. He literally takes his factory from his base to yours, plants it right next to your pylon and then builds a hellion! It's not like he proxied you or anything, he even did it in your full sight range. It took you 30 seconds before you even attacked it, so then the first hellion poped out and went after your probes. Then after taking care of the hellion, you proceed to leave the factory alone! You literally just walk your units out of your base, leaving the factory to continually pump hellions and still in full sight of your pylon! I'm actually shocked that you only lost 3 probes to that, because it should have been far more significant.

Between 6:07 and 6:48, you didn't make a single probe and only made 23 probes by the end of the game. Sure you lost 3 to the Hellion harrass, so even if we bump that up to 26, you never at any point in the game had full saturation of one base. Of course you wouldn't be able to expand, you didn't have the probes to support an expo.

Not to diminish your victory or anything, its a great achievement to beat that guy. But I have to agree with Hammy here, between reaction time, general macro and decision making, there should have been no way for you to win that game. He had higher and consistent production, both in SCV's and units, he also had near equal tech to you with the techlab starport with ravens and banshees with pending cloak. Matches like that are a case study as to why blizzard did what they did to VR's.

Edit: Now that I am done with the post and watched the rep over again, I would say that you actually did a good job attacking when you did. It seemed like he was going way too many things at once and you caught him in transition. I know the post sounds pretty harsh, but I'm not trying to diminish your victory. I'm just saying, that if you were ontop of your production on both probes and units, you likely wouldn't have needed VR's to win. He was very passive the whole game, even taking a very late expo despite his turtled position. Although it felt like his army was scary, he never left his front door, so he might as well had no army. Really, you were free to expand for quite a while.

[Norfindel]

7 rax = barracks at 7 supply

[ooZer0]

7 rax = barracks at 7 supply

Which he didn't do either. His first rax came @ 12 supply.

[McLovin]

I totally agree with Skyze, the marauder just steam-rolls all protoss ground units, voids were necessary