Would anyone be interested into lessons? (for money)

[Jabber Wookie]

10$ an hour XD thats barly minimum wage if you think about it! (atleast in Canada).

Damn... I need to move to Canade. Do you guys know a-boot what the inflation difference is between the U.S. and there? Ahh nevermind I probably sound like a hoser.

[Maul]

Minimum wage in aust is about $15 or $14.25usd

[Dean63]

I like your business model, and your pitch. Strapped for cash here, but honestly if you're interested in getting better at a game you love, then (in my opinion) Skyze has the right price, pitch, and ticket to get there.

Counter opinion? Based on the reactions of price by everyone else, the fee is at issue. But they won't budge, how do you comphensate for something when compromise is non-negociable?

Lower the price for sessions for one week at the beginning of each new season. Single sessions will run 5-7 dollars per hour, and concurrent sessions will run 5-7 dollars per hour for a set period of time after the week is over (say 1-2 weeks after the special is over, dedicating them to a bundle discount.)

Influences players to act now, than contemplate and act later, and gives the advertisement as a verified, reliable, and reasonable business practice to both current and prospective clientel.

Good luck!

[Peanutbutter]

Exactly, $10 an hour is chump change.

Anyways, thought I would at least offer, and if anyone really wants to get better at SC, then this is how to do it. You can watch day9 and husky all day long but if you dont know what the problems in your play is, how can you correct it? And believe me, 90% of players have no idea how many things they do wrong. Anyways, if I dont get anyone interested, not a big deal to me, just figured I would try to help the community.

Arrogant much? This isn't the way to get better. You can have people here or on Teamliquid.com to analyze your replays and come with helpful suggestions for free.

And when you're saying that " you would just try to help the community ", i really think you're crossing the line

And as for taking music lessons, alot of good musicians haven't taken ANY lessons in their entire life, and they still kick ass at doing their thing. I myself am a self learned musician ( playing on the drums ), so i think you came up with a bad example.

I'm seriously not trying to bash you here, but I really think that this is getting a bit absurd.

What i dislike about this as well, is that people need to think and come up with solutions themselves. They can't expect someone to hold their hand and point out their mistakes their entire life. And Starcraft is a good place to start.

Personally, the thing i like most about SC is getting better/coming up with new solutions and strategies myself. If someone did all that for me, the game would just be plain boring.

My 2 cents.

[Gifted]

He's a player who has accredited skill offering to give personal 1 on 1 time to people. He's honest about why and what the intention is for the exchange. I see no fault in that whatsoever and there is nothing arrogant about it. Let's look at an example of this and why I think the arrogance is actually with the accusers and not Skyze himself.

Poker lessons example earlier with Maul was an exceptional one. A better example is regarding band instrument instruction.

Parents have many choices to approach regarding teaching their children an instrument. The odds are, this instrument will not get them jobs, earn them money or even do more than develop their mind and skillset in a way that would be different than if they never had an instrument.

Parents can expect the following though.

- Purchase the instrument and tools required and just let them learn at school.
- Some students will practice and others will ignore practice.
- Some students will enjoy playing the instrument while others will seek to do better with it.
- Some parents or even students who want to take it to another level, will pay for additional lessons.
- Others will help them out by working with online resources for free.
- Some students will "click" and be able to excel no matter what resources they are provided or lack.
- Others work and pay hard to achieve those same results.
- The ultimate situation is that all of these are options and possibilities, but not all of them need to apply in every case.

Would you insult a child for earning money and paying a teacher to elevate their skill in playing an instrument? No, because society has accepted that as "normal". There are teachers out there with no accredited stats whatsoever, some have achievements they can flaunt which adds to the value or perceived results of their lessons to be given. The ultimate thing is that it's up to the parent or student to approach this path. And people never insult the teacher for offering services.. they simply judge if it's an option they wish to pursue.

For StarCraft II:
- You've purchased the instrument and tools: your keyboard, mouse, computer and game.
- You have the means to get experience on your own through battle.net and practice.
- You can test yourself against opponents you know.
- You can also go further and use online free resources to try and get your game better.
- You now have an option to have a teacher with at least any form of accreditation of their skill offering a personal lesson plan.

I see no reason ANYONE should insult Skyze or what's perceived of him for trying to do it. If you remove the name on the post and sat back and thought "If I were to pay 10 dollars to ANY PERSON on this forum to teach me, who would I give it to?" and frankly, the first person who I think of _IS_ Skyze if I wanted to improve my skill. Why is that? Because no matter what other people know or say they know about the game, Skyze has proven in SOME FORM that he's able to provide results with his own actions and progress. I don't believe any other member on these forums can claim that.

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Side note: If that wasn't the goal and it was for a good time, I'd pay Sahara immediately cause he'd be the funniest F-ing teacher on the planet if I wanted the experience.

Final Thought:

I'll put my neck out to vouch for Skyze as probably the best option if I ever sought someone to teach me and evaluate my skill. I don't know his ability to teach, but it's obvious that at least on terms of skill he's able to examine faults well and adapt to them very solidly. This might be enough for me to consider paying him to give me thoughts. If I felt the need to want to improve by paying money, that's the quality I'd be seeking.

[Sarov]

He's a player who has accredited skill offering to give personal 1 on 1 time to people. He's honest about why and what the intention is for the exchange. I see no fault in that whatsoever and there is nothing arrogant about it. Let's look at an example of this and why I think the arrogance is actually with the accusers and not Skyze himself.

I think the fact that he compared StarCraft to swimming and Yoga would have made several people raise an eyebrow:

Sure, its a hobby for most people that has no monetary rewards, but so is Swimming, Yoga, dancing, etc and people charge for those lessons too.

For one, swimming and Yoga are exercise and are also stress relievers. Certain Yoga exercises are said to help with things like mood, depression, headaches, deal with stress among other things. It can calm you down and help you focus more. It can even give you more energy. And that's just what I can say off the top of my head, so to speak.

As such, there is a difference between StarCraft and a hobby that is good for your health, things that doctors encourage. Sure, swimming and Yoga don't have monetary rewards but at least they're beneficial to your health in various ways and are things that doctors advocate for a variety of problems. Those exercises will continue to benefit you for the rest of your life if you chose to continue them. Lessons for music or art benefit you more than lessons for a specific video game because they can open the doors to countless jobs in that field, teaching or otherwise.

And on the topic of teachers and teaching: Teachers are paid to teach. They have to take several additional courses throughout their career to learn new things on top of having gone to college. They have to be able to assess a variety of learning styles. and both understand and know how to teach in a variety of ways. They need to know how to deal with a variety of learning problems.

I know several teachers who could be in the art field or a professional musician, etc, but chose to become teachers even though they knew the pay wasn't great on average and that they might not even get a job for what might be years.

My point is if people want to pay for that, I don't particularly care because that's their decision. But one shouldn't compare learning to play a game better to learning Yoga for example. Or the fact that teachers pay a lot of money out of their pocket to help students and they don't make as much as professionals musicians or artists do, for example.

[Pick]

A reasonably priced offer from someone who seems to have the experience and skills to back it up. You can only learn so much from videos and replays. Having a practice partner who is better than you can result in a huge improvement in your game.

[Sarov]

A reasonably priced offer from someone who seems to have the experience and skills to back it up. You can only learn so much from videos and replays. Having a practice partner who is better than you can result in a huge improvement in your game.

While that may be true, not everyone can learn via the internet. I would prefer the teacher be in the same room as opposed to talking to me via text or Vent.

Besides, my point still stands: you may not get money from Yoga or swimming but it's good for your health, both the physical and mental. It's also recommended by doctors.

[evillesh]

no I wouldn't pay. I would try to find enough materials in the internet to improve my skills on my own. BUT if I will feel that I hit the cap, MAYBE, if I'm aiming for more or less competitive tournament play I MIGHT take some lessons.

[Skyze]

Swimming and Yoga are forms of stress-relief?? What do you consider gaming then? In fact, Gaming is my #1 stress reliever, something I do when im fed up after 4 hours of music practice everyday.

Without gaming as a stress reliever in my life, I dont know what I would be. The whole point of gaming in the first place is occupying your time away from the hardships of real life, so I think that counts.

Theres a reason why most of the oldschool RTS players can go straight to Poker and become winning players. (Elky and Grrrr, not to mention all the thousands others who make 6 digits a year off poker, all from starting on BW) Becoming good at analyzing and decision making in Starcraft makes you become more analytical and attentive to the small details in other activities, because it is harped upon so much to become a better player in SC2, those kind of things stick with you throughout life. Believe it or not, playing semi-pro Starcraft and WC3 has probably developed my brain more than anything else in life, and helped tremendously at music, as it is another outlet of something that takes years upon years of working at daily to get to the point you want to accomplish.

Also, on the point that many musicians are self-taught and do fine to make it in the world; That may be true due to our society who wants image over substance, but lets face it.. Take any of those non-trained musicians and put them in an orcestra or jazz ensemble, they wouldnt even last one song. My point being, they "made it" with the pure minimum, and would not survive in any real music situation. Keep in mind Starcraft progamers are not decided on who has the newest hair (like Justin Bieber).. The only way to learn Starcraft by yourself is with 4-5 years of experience, or get some help from someone who already knows all the tricks and thought-processes and shorten that down to 1 year or so. There are not too many Kolll's out there, people who can pick up the game and be in the semi-pro scene within 1 year on their own..