Holy crap. Nada vs TLO showmatch!

[DemolitionSquid]

I'm pretty sure the EMP was supposed to be Snipe.

[GRUNT]

Gah makes me want to watch these games asap!
Anyone got a link?

I can totally imagine a terran player EMPing banelings, they're the kind of thing you just want to throw anything at haha.
"imagines marines throwing their rifles at the banelings when they get too close".

I'm not sure, Hammy! I think that they'll be on-demand at http://tv.esl.eu/de/ soon, though.


Meantime, Idra vs Tarson is starting in about 12 minutes . You should stick aorund and watch it live!

This fellow is kindly streaming the stream of the game : http://www.teamliquid.net/video/user....php?user=Tump


@ Demosquid - yeah I think it was supposed to be a Snipe too. His reaction was PRICELESS! As soon as a vod is up, I hope someone makes a gif of that XD.



EDIT: Ugh at the second game of Idra vs Tarson .

It is so fricking hard to guess what Terran is doing. Even Idra, with all his experience, the only scouting info he can see is the wall of barracks and Factory, and he didnt see a Reactor on either one, so he wasn't too worried, then Tarson pushes out with a small force of Marines and Hellions and sets Idra quite far back by killing two Queens >_<.

Idra plays so much SC2 that his gamesense is often on the ball (and not all of us play 12 hours a day every day), but you can't always calculate accurately based on the limited info you can get, and then you just die =/.


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[sandwich_bird]

Well Thors are now officially useless (watch idra muta micro and you'll understand)

Btw, when are they gonna upload tlo vs NaDa

[GRUNT]

Well Thors are now officially useless

Btw, when are they gonna upload tlo vs NaDa

Hehe, I discovered this technique prior to this tourney, so I knew exactly what Idra was gonna do .

I disagree that Thors are useless now, though! This is gonna keep Terran players honest - they can't just mass Thors willy-nilly. Now they need a solid core of Marines, and only use Thors to prevent Muta from just marauding around the edges of your army, picking off stragglers.

Part of the reason why Zerg felt mech was so strong was because it countered Zerg's responses too hard. This way, the Terran army requires a more diverse composition and offers more vulnerability for Zerg players to exploit....I hope!

[Zabimaru]

Well Thors are now officially useless (watch idra muta micro and you'll understand)

I've always found them useless vs Mutas... I really don't like the unit.

[DemolitionSquid]

Thors have always been a stupid unit.

I'm sad Idra won, he's so full of shit.

1 week ago: "Hai guyz, Terran is completely OP even though SC2 has only been out a month."
Today: "Hai guyz, watch me spam Mutas and crush Tarson's Thors."

[GRUNT]

Thors have always been a stupid unit.

I'm sad Idra won, he's so full of shit.

1 week ago: "Hai guyz, Terran is completely OP even though SC2 has only been out a month."
Today: "Hai guyz, watch me spam Mutas and crush Tarson's Thors."

I gotta admit that to a large extent, that's true XD. Even before it was discovered, I did worry Blizzard might be a bit hasty with balance changes.

The 'magic box' style Muta was a relatively recent discovery though. I find it amusing that in BW, you want to keep your muta clumped, but in SC2, you want to keep them spread out (at least when dealing with Thors).

Like I said in my last post though, I felt that Terrans could get away with a simple composition that was really hard for Zerg to crack. Marines still own Muta, and if you need to fly over a clump of Marines in order to kill Thors, that's not good for Muta. I think that we'll see a shift to Terrans using more Marines in their army and not being too reliant on mech. Thors won't dominate Mutas straight-up, and will instead be used to ensure that Muta can't harass the edges of your army as you move down the map (but still relying on Marines to do the actual killing of mass Muta).

Like with BW, Zerg might actually be able to keep Terrans in their base for a while with Muta, now that they can no longer rely on just one or two Thors to nullify Muta harass.

All this said, I still think that Zerg early game vs Terran is quite bad though . One thing Idra's said and which I feel is still consistent is that THAT is where Zerg's real problem vs Terran lies.

[flabortast]

I doubt Thors will be obsolete. They just won't be the end0all counter to mutalisks. It's now a soft counter which is good. Terrans will need marines now to supplement Thors.

[Zabimaru]

The 'magic box' style Muta was a relatively recent discovery though. I find it amusing that in BW, you want to keep your muta clumped, but in SC2, you want to keep them spread out (at least when dealing with Thors).

When SV's are out you want to spread them. Quickly.

[Briggs]

Why is zerg underpowered again? o_o