What strat infuriates you when you fall prey to it?

[DemolitionSquid]

PvP zealot rush. Its boring. I pity the poor guy, because I know hes going void ray, so I completely wall off, and spam Blink Stalkers. Its a joke.

[Jabber Wookie]

Do any Terrans absolutely hate how easy it is to snipe scvs who are building?

Legion has become fairly accomplished at this *wink*. Here is what is so annoying about it: The only way to defend it is to pull another SCV off the line (that could be mining) and repair the building SCV or use the pulled scv to fight off the probe/drone. For some reason the SCV just cannot 'hide' well enough in the structure. He'll be killed within seconds of the probe attacking him, so you almost have to leave an SCV waiting by your barracks to fight it off. This tactic is becoming fairly commonplace and you basically lose 60 or 70 minerals a minute (pulling SCV off line to defend). You cannot do it to Protoss or Zerg, only Terran is vulnerable to it. I don't lose my building scvs anymore to this, but I still have to pull an SCV or newly produced SCV off the line to defend it. It's a phenomenal harass, but in my opinion completely unfair. However, since it never got 'fixed' it SC, I doubt it'll be 'fixed' this time around. Always wondered why Blizz decided Terran needed this disadvantage? What does it balance out?

Anyways, that infuriates me. Haha.

Areo

It's not imbalanced in any way though, every race has their perks and their disadvantages. I mean, Zerg loses a drone every time they build a building, while Terran gets the advantage of walling off. It makes them unique. It's pretty much things like this that make starcraft so awesome and diverse. But ya, it can be annoying to defend against but not too tough.

[MiniMaster184]

Playing as Zerg against a Terran that walls off, holds out against a Banebust, and rushes Vikings to snipe all your Overlords before you can get Hydras.

[Wankey]

Void rays and cloaked banshee for me. Especially when I play zerg. The void ray has to be the cheapest unit in the game. Yes, it's incredibly easy to counter if you see it coming from miles away. But, if you're careless and don't scout it, it's over! That kinda goes for any cheese though.

Void ray... one of the shittiest most annoying designed units ever put into the face on an RTS game.

They need their range nerfed or make them only attack ground or make their extra damage to MASSIVE units only.

[TheEconomist]

Void ray... one of the shittiest most annoying designed units ever put into the face on an RTS game.

They need their range nerfed or make them only attack ground or make their extra damage to MASSIVE units only.

Well ... looks like Santrega was right. Here comes the QQ flood.

[Areoseph]

Jabber, It's annoying but not too tough, you're right. However, consider:

Drone loss is factored in to zerg prices. Terran wall off doesn't hurt the opponents economy (realistically). But sniping the Terran builder, or forcing them to pull a worker(s) off the line directly impacts Terran openings (each scv not mining is ~60 minerals a minute). And, since it's usually the Protoss doing the probe harass, I'm not sure how drone loss factors in to this. I mean, it's not like I can stop Protoss chrono boost or even kill a probe with an scv against any decent player... (shield regen). Think about it. I don't think it's balanced, but it does make the game interesting.

Areo

[TheEconomist]

You guys lose to cheese, then you guys loose to cheese. This is an RTS, deal with it. Cheese isn't really cheese, it's just unconventional strategies.

The term "cheese" comes from being caught by surprise a la being caught surprise by a camera. It has nothing to do with unconventional or whatever. In fact, any of the early cheese rushes are probably more common than late game strategies.

[Areoseph]

The term "cheese" comes from being caught by surprise a la being caught surprise by a camera. It has nothing to do with unconventional or whatever. In fact, any of the early cheese rushes are probably more common than late game strategies.

Right but it's taken on the form of "that's cheesy" or "that is cheap" these days it seems. Just an interesting transition...

[TheEconomist]

They are cheap and cheesy. That's undeniable. But, that doesn't mean they aren't worthy of being a factor in the game. They make the game interesting just like an early Zergling or Reaper rush makes the early game interesting. They are imbalanced though since, according to Blizzard's very own standard, a strategy must be just as easy to counter as it is to pull off. Proxying Gateways is the easiest thing in the game to do but is ridiculously hard to counter.

In 1v1, "cheese" strats aren't as bad but, in 2v2, they're almost impossible to stop. Think about two Protoss proxying outside your base. Unless you just happened to 7p then Gateway and your ally can get effective units out quickly, you're pretty much done. It has nothing to do with whether or not you scout it. I've scouted many a proxy very early but it didn't matter. The only thing to counter them is to, on certain maps, assume that you're going to get cheesed and get units early but then, of course, that means that sometimes my ally and I are economically behind.

[Areoseph]

Tychus,

I agree with your sentiments altogether.

However, there's not much that can be done about double 2 gate proxy in 2v2. You can't really 'balance' it without seriously messing up the rest of the game in other matchups like 1v1. Oh well.