People Calling GG for You...

[Manik]

I just had some protoss player do this to me in silver league, so I just drug out the match for another 15 minutes or so.

[dustinbrowder]

Why is that bad? Are the 2 minutes that it takes to finish killing him that bad?


Sports are a little different, it was an analogy to compare manners. You cant exactly F10-N and youre done. There is conduct requirements too since most of the time you would get a fine from the league for acting in such a way.

Just look at how much people dislike IdrA because he doesnt gg at the end and occasionally rages.

It can be a little longer than 2 minutes. He can lift off buildings, build pylon at different location, etc... Or even bunch up with few siege tanks and half a base and not surrender. It can easily increase the game by 5 minutes and in cases even more.

[Hammy]

He could think about it in the game lobby or watch the replay. What he is doing is ruder than what I do. Simple fact.

Also, would you be offended if the person made it pretty clear that there was no offense by saying something like, "Had fun ty"?

PS: You missed the point about my cashier example. You asked your question like two minutes doesn't matter. Sure. Its not all that important but when its wasted for no reason you'll see its a bit more important than you think.

The cashier example is silly.

In SC2, people chose to leave once they know it's over, but that isn't an obligation (as long as they aren't purposely dragging the game longer by lifting buildings or something).

In a tennis set, if you're down 0-5, the worst thing you could do it forfeit. All sports work that way, and even if SC2, as a esport, allows you to type out before you've lost all of your buildings, telling your opponent when he's lost is just arrogant and douchey.
That's like telling your opponent he lost in MMA when you've got him in a triangle lock.

There's also a difference between telling and asking...

[TheEconomist]

For the second time, my example was to demonstrate how a relatively unimportant amount of time can suddenly become important when its being wasted by someone without respect to you. No two minutes doesn't really matter to me but when it's being wasted by someone such as an opponent or a rude clerk it's different. I keep asking you and asking you to make sure you understand what I'm saying before you comment but somehow we always end up doing this same thing where you completely misunderstand my comments. It's getting old and could easily be avoided. Please work on this.

I'm tired of this discussion so I'll just say this: if you have a problem with me saying GG when it's obvious that someone has no other bases, units, or ability to come back then the problem is with you. I'm not even talking about being in a losing position. I don't know how many times I've clarified this but I see that you cannot bother yourself to read those posts so I'll reiterate. I'm talking about, say, cleaning up base when the person only has supply depots. If they have one mined out base and I have the rest but he has units. That's fine. He can stay. There's still gameplay to be had. I can find some enjoyment in cleaning up units and microing into a defended base. But staying in-game when there's nothing important left is just as rude as flying your Terran buildings around. Surely you misunderstood my words again and are not as strange as to defend this action.

Notice the only ones in this topic that have a problem with this are the people who quite apparently take the game too seriously. Everyone else who I've seen who takes this game in stride understands perfectly what is meant by the words instead of attaching many other meanings that clearly weren't intended. It seems quite obvious to me that some people get so emotional in a game that simple statements can set them off before they even attempt to correctly interpret the meaning. I say to all: lighten up.

The only thing that can upset me in a game is knowing that I did not play my best. If I get steamrolled, I couldn't be happier. I think some people should adopt this mentality and clearly inoffensive comments like the ones we're discussing would not be misinterpreted.

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[Hammy]

It's the same with real sports you know. Being fair play is a big deal.
I don't get emotional over SC2, nor am I blowing this out of proportion. We're saying it's rude, not calling your a jerk for ever doing that.

[TheEconomist]

Real sports have time limits though and other rules which prevent a player from wasting time.

Imagine if there was no time limit in Baseball and the losing teams picture holding onto the ball and never pitching it. Wouldn't you start to get a bit irked? Your example is silly because there's a huge different between the heavily structured rule set found in sports (like Basketball) and the relatively loose freeform rules of StarCraft 2.

[Hammy]

Not if you're playing in your local baseball field.
Get into an invitational, ESL or something similar and you can probably get your opponent disced for being a fool. The ladder is only the beginning if you want to take this to the next level.

We aren't talking about people deliberately stalling though. If you've got double my population and econ, I'll probably still try and make the best out of it, not just leave. It's valuable experience.

Also, it's down to the referee's judgement in some sports (think of how tennis players can use the restroom between two points, or tie their shoelace).

Finally, there is a limit in SC2. It's called his buildings. I don't have the slightest problem with finishing all of my opponent's structures.

[TheEconomist]

I don't have the slightest problem with finish all of my opponent's structures.

Guess I just value my time more than you.

[Hammy]

08-09-2010, 01:05 AM

08-09-2010, 01:07 AM

You must be right.

[13thLegion]

I know I drag out games when I get told "gg" when I've lost. Hell, I lost and I know it. Tychus, you say it's rude because they're disrespecting your value of time but you're disrespecting them by saying "gg," which implies "Hey, you lost, now get the fuck out."

Now I know you said you need to take words at face value but that's not how life works.

I'd suggest that if you think you won and want to say "GG" to instead take the time and type out "good game" because you obviously won and don't need to do anything else.

Also, if your time is so valuable why not just play 1v1 the AI, they surrender when they lost. Playing people on a time constraint is not going to be a predictable endeavor so plan accordingly!