Zeratul side missions are terrible

[Brutaxilos]

Oh my gosh, I just played the zerg hybrid mission again because last time I beat it with cheat codes just to get it done... but now I hate it even more because the first time through I didn't notice what zeratul said...


Zeratul: A protoss and Zerg hybrid, who could have created this?!


excuse me, is your memory fading you idiot. Zeratul already KNOWS duran has seeded the hybrids on many worlds. This pisses me off so much. I have to wonder if the blizzard writing team ever even PLAYED sc1. Maybe they just sucked so bad they didn't get the secret mission. :P

A Protoss Zerg hybrid in this sacred place? Duran's abomination must be not be allowed to live!

A line like that would have been a thousand times better... oh yeah and it would have actually made sense.

Metzen is known to be somewhat...forgetful. He tells us that infested protoss is impossible one day and then they have a comic about

[Shubop]

Metzen is known to be somewhat...forgetful. He tells us that infested protoss is impossible one day and then they have a comic about

In Metzen's defence that Protoss was a special case, created through very special and unique circumstances (as in the Protoss-modified Creep).

[Rezildur]

Zeratul's campaign is so far removed from the main storyline and too fantastical in nature that it's hard to relate. More over, the scripting in the campaign was lacking. Most anybody who has played through the campaigns will acknowledge Zeratul's soliloquy to Aldaris as being one of the most memorable quotes in the entire series. And this is one problem. The other is his self-imposed exile and quest for redemption. Much of what we have seen comes from his own experiences and internal struggles, which hasn't been given voice to by anyone but himself. Without that vital interaction it makes him into a whining prophet wannabe. Moreover, Kerass doesn't help matters. He is a Templar. and doesn't show the tiniest amount of reservation aiding Zeratul, completely voiding the pain and perceived injustices Zeratul has committed. Of all Protoss, one would think a High Templar would be the most likely to call him out - and he doesn't.

Strongly disagree. It is just as central to the story as the Mengsk stuff. Why is the Mengsk stuff relevant? Because its his fault that Kerrigan became the Queen of Blades. Why is Zeratul's stuff relevant? because it tells us about the Zerg and Kerrigan.

Why is ANY of THAT important? Because it all ties into whoever the Voice of the Darkness is that wants to pwn everyone, and gives us background information for what is to come and THAT is the real main story line for Starcraft 2 because it ties all three races together and puts them in the same boat.

[Nicol Bolas]

The line was badass because it sounded cool. The meaning of the line itself you're supposed to reserve judgment on, unless you know what he is referring to.

That's why I called it "empty poetry": it sounds nice, but if you think about it for any length of time, it's just errant nonsense. It's an Ice Cream Koan: tasty, but devoid of nutritional value.

I prefer badass lines that are actually about something. It's essentially the technobabble problem.

[Do you have an actual legitimate complaint instead of "I can't immerse myself into a story enough to believe that characters aren't either lying or don't know what they're talking about"?

Yes: the line's raving stupidity prevented me from being immersed in the story because it made no sense.

in the sense that it's not about Zeratul's ego but rather establishing the authority upon which he speaks

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

[GnaReffotsirk]

At some instances, Zeratul actually sounded like Aldaris. Or was that atanis who sounded like Aldaris?

So, Tassadar has somewhat transcended because of his merging the void and khala energies right? Hmmm... possible plot point there.

[Pandonetho]

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

That's not the point. He's establishing his authority over the fact that he's much more experienced than Aldaris, and that Aldaris was just living in a bubble within his precious conclave.

Have you ever seen the movie taken? It's exactly like that, the protagonist knows the dangers of the world while his idiot daughter ignores his warnings and travels off to Paris with her idiot friend to get captured and drugged up and sold into the sex slave trade.

Aldaris is that 'idiot' so to speak. He lives in his bubble and Zeratul establishes his knowledge of the general universe to shut Aldaris up, because quite obviously Zeratul has more wisdom. Not that he saw the Zerg rampaging through other planets, but that he has more wisdom.

And would you kindly answer the question Gradius proposed? How does it not make sense when it's a freaken 600+ year old wanderer who's traveled to god knows where? The guy who first discovered the Hybrids? Zeratul's been everywhere, so it'd be nice to provide actual facts (something you love telling people to do) when claiming something doesn't make sense.

[Eligor]

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

He basically says that he's seen whole realities/alternate universes die, and based on that experience knows that Aiur (a single planet) is doomed. There's also the underlying metaphysica/metaphorical meaning that as such he can judge Aldaris' reality to be a false one. Makes sense to me.

[Visions of Khas]

You know, Eligor, I had never looked at it that way. But it makes sense. He's delved into so many alternate "scenarios" that he knows Aiur's doom is inevitable.

I much prefer how the Prophet Zeratul is hinted at in StarCraft/BroodWar rather than blatantly thrown out there in SC2.

[ZealotPowerade]

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

I think you're forgetting a lot... Everything he said relates directly to the current Zerg emergency. The point is that Aldaris can cling to the conclave and his tradition and refuse to join forces with the dark templar and face the zerg alone or he can forget their prejudice and fight side by side. It's very clear and relevant. I don't know where u get these things from. ^^

[SpikeVorador]

i have alot to say about this topic but is 6:21 am and i need some rest before doing my wall text of doom about the subject xD

for now i leave a simple question about the cinematic:

what happened with the fight between Zeratul and Kerrigan?
it was supposed to be a big uber EPIC fight, we even had some EPIC artwork/wallpaper about them fighting in the cave and a little scene in the intro of Zeratul blocking kicks with his arms...
i was specting a great fight between they but in the end it was only a couple of hits =S.