[Finale Spoiler] Finale discussion

[Triceron]

Sorta like how Brood War built up every intention to show you how much of a bitch Kerrigan is and how much she deserves to die only to be saved at the end of SC2?

[Gurluash]

Everyone can be redeemed.

[Aldrius]

revert to queen of blades again?? what's this a game?? zerg-human-zerg

who would like this stuff?

I'd have liked it if she'd just stayed a Zerg Queen. But if they're going to insist on making her a Terran again. I'm not gonna stop them if they make her a Zerg again. Because quite frankly Wings of Liberty's ending was THAT awful. I practically want them to just forget about it.

Yes we fight and kill her several times...But during the mission each time u ''kill'' her it's being quoted that she retreats-runs back

Yeah, you never kill her. She's in three missions, she's invulnerable in two of them and every time you 'kill' her in the last one, she uses Deep Tunnel to dig away before you deliver the final blow. (Mothership-style.)

P.s Correct me if i'm wrong but in the final mission Nova talks to Raynor at some point and he thinks she's Sarah??

No, 'uninfested' Kerrigan tells Jim's forces to 'keep going'. Somehow.

Honestly, it was at that point I KNEW I was going to hate this ending.

It's really not the same thing they did with Arthas at all. Arthas CHOSE to become corrupted, he became overzealous and too bent on revenge, which let the Lich King corrupt him. He simply never struggled to stop that corruption, which is why I think that Arthas becoming a good guy again is fucking idiotic, since he was never really a 'good guy' to begin with.

I'm not talking about their points of origin. I'm talking about how they made it seem like Death Knight Arthas and Infested Kerrigan didn't have free will. When they both very clearly did. All of THEIR dialogue, and the dialogue of those around them implies as such.

As for Kerrigan, she was a genuinely good person before being infested. Her corruption was forced on her, she even tried to fight it be calling out to Jim before the infestation was complete. Once it was complete, however, she stopped being the good, caring Sarah Kerrigan and became the Queen of Blades. The Overmind wasn't directly controlling her, as in, guiding her every action. It had simply instilled in her the idea that he is God, just like that idea was in every Cerebrate's mind. The Cerebrates' personalities didn't change once the Overmind died, why should Kerrigan's? So I really don't think it was just her being pissed at everybody, because that makes no sense. Why would she be pissed at Jim? He did everything in his power to save her, and then some.

What do you mean the Cerebrates' personalities didn't change? Why would they change?

Kerrigan's personality clearly changed, though. The simple-minded monster became a deviously cunning and vindictive creature. She stopped just being a raving sociopath, trying to kill everything in sight, and instead set her eyes on power and controlling everything she could.

And she wasn't pissed at Jim. She was pissed off at Arcturus for betraying her, and she was pissed off at the Protoss for making her look like a fool. And when she was going to betray Arcturus, she knew Jim and Fenix would side with him over her, so she finished off Fenix before they could act against her and forced Jim to run away in the process. Mostly she just thought Jim would stand against her once she enacted her plan. And she wanted control. She didn't want ANYBODY to stand against her or control her or betray her ever again.

This isn't just someone's personality 'revert' or a cheap, cliche 'What have I become?!' moment. This is James Raynor saving the woman he loves, and at the same time damning her to unending torment, while damning almost everyone around him by risking their lives for something HE wants. Everybody hates her, if somehow people forgive her, it'll take a LONG time and a LOT of work on her part. Not to mention that now that her conscience is back, she will feel like the biggest monster in the history of ever. She will hate herself, her inability to do the right thing, I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to kill herself, only for Jim to stop her.

Everything you just said doesn't make it not Kerrigan's personality reverting. Kerrigan carried around A LOOOT of guilt during the original StarCraft. A LOT of guilt. She might have been a good person, but she had her violent side, her dark side, even before becoming the Queen of Blades.

And let's not forget, we've only seen 1/3 of the SC2 story. I CAN'T WAIT for HotS.

I am really not anticipating it at this point... I'm expecting more cliche-ridden nonsense in the vein of this ending.

[Articorse]

I'm not talking about their points of origin. I'm talking about how they made it seem like Death Knight Arthas and Infested Kerrigan didn't have free will. When they both very clearly did. All of THEIR dialogue, and the dialogue of those around them implies as such.

If we're not talking about what they were like before their change, then what do we have to go on in order to ascertain their real personalities? This isn't just about origin stories, what they went through, it's what they did and wanted. Arthas wanted revenge more than ANYTHING. Thus, his spiral into becoming a Death Knight was more or less his choice. Kerrigan, on the other hand, was forced to become what she did. Arthas' dialogue after he became a Death Knight was his own, but he was stripped of his humanity, his compassion, his caring, and the Lich King burned into his mind that it is god. The same thing happened to Kerrigan, she was still herself, but again stripped of humanity, compassion, and the Overmind instilled in her mind that it is god.

What do you mean the Cerebrates' personalities didn't change? Why would they change?

Kerrigan's personality clearly changed, though. The simple-minded monster became a deviously cunning and vindictive creature. She stopped just being a raving sociopath, trying to kill everything in sight, and instead set her eyes on power and controlling everything she could.

I was merely stating that no personalities were changed after the Overmind died. The only thing that changed was that Kerrigan and the Cerebrates no longer followed someone's every whim and could truly do what they wanted. Kerrigan's change in personality was an ongoing process that the Overmind started. In fact, it even notes this during a briefing, that she grows more cunning with every assignment.

And she wasn't pissed at Jim. She was pissed off at Arcturus for betraying her, and she was pissed off at the Protoss for making her look like a fool. And when she was going to betray Arcturus, she knew Jim and Fenix would side with him over her, so she finished off Fenix before they could act against her and forced Jim to run away in the process. Mostly she just thought Jim would stand against her once she enacted her plan. And she wanted control. She didn't want ANYBODY to stand against her or control her or betray her ever again.

She was pissed off at the Protoss for making her look like a fool? Seriously, you really think that's strong enough motivation for everything she did to them? That would make her the most petty villain in the history of gaming. Plus, she already had the Protoss convinced that she had changed. This would be the perfect stepping stone for her real vengeance - against Mengsk. Jim and Fenix would DEFINITELY not side with Arcturus over her. This whole paragraph makes no sense. I'm not saying it isn't true, can't really disprove it, but if it is, then the writing staff dropped the ball something fierce there.

Everything you just said doesn't make it not Kerrigan's personality reverting. Kerrigan carried around A LOOOT of guilt during the original StarCraft. A LOT of guilt. She might have been a good person, but she had her violent side, her dark side, even before becoming the Queen of Blades.

So? Having a dark side doesn't necessarily make her a bad person. In fact, if she was feeling guilt for what she had done before, then if that same person had done the things the Queen of Blades did (i.e. brutally kill BILLIONS of people), don't you think just the guilt of that would be enough to stop her? Again, this makes no sense, if she was the same person she was before and already was feeling guilty, how would killing billions of terrans(most of which victims of Arcturus' lies and propaganda) and protoss(for making her look like a fool) make her feel?

I am really not anticipating it at this point... I'm expecting more cliche-ridden nonsense in the vein of this ending.

Could you give an example of a good, non-cliche ending for WoL?

My version of things is that, yes, the Queen of Blades IS indeed Sarah Kerrigan, only without compassion and with an unshakable instinct to continue evolving and spreading the swarm. I'm guessing the ending removed the 'no compassion' part and didn't do much else.

What I'm saying is - sure, the story and ending felt a little lackluster, they were predictable and they eliminated the coolest villain in history. But it was the only ending they could've gone for that could set the stage for a continuation of the Starcraft storyline. Besides, call me a hopeless romantic, but I so want Kerrigan and Raynor together, it's not even funny.

[ragsash]

She still have zerg hair...Thus she can probably still command the swarm but she is no longer evil.

I got it all figured out with the hair part. the zerg and the protos dont have hair and I sofar the hybrids dont ether so this is what I guess the (..I dont remember how to spell them so I say the dark voice dudes.) they dont know what hair is and so they cant remake the hair to human hair so they just left it as it is.

anyone else thought that made sense? I hope so otherwise your using your logic.


and btw I listen to some blizzcon stuff and they said they would make each game with no cliffhangers and all the stories ended....sofar I havent seen any stories ended ....All I seen so far is cliffhangers.... so many questions with no ansers.

and for the next game is gonna be exacly like brood war. kerrigan lost her powers and now shes gonna get them back so she can controll the zergs once again....AGAIN but in this one shes gonna prolly be lame and seen the light and gonna be flower power girly girl and get it on with jim and holding hands while kicking dark voice ass (or the kicking ass part will be in the protoss campain).

[ragsash]

As for her not being evil (What is evil anyway... Harming humans? She's not human any more.)

well I think evil counts for killing billions and billions of lifeforms nomatter if your killing humans, rats etc etc.
what kind of exuse is shes not human anymore.....that makes it even worse she was once but then she got "beter" and went "hey im gonna kill EVERYONE"

[cat]

Everyone can be redeemed.

yeah, even blizzard, my deepest hopes are that hots begins with jim waking up on the hyperion right before the assault on char and jimmy dies, or kerrigan dies, i mean what the fuck, i just finished the game and thats all i can say, what the fuck, with the goddamn epilogue that made me pop the first boner of my life, the brood war one, i mean goddamn only legacy of the void can redeem this game and the next one , for fks sake this was supposed to be about terrans, but the only goddamn mission i enjoyed was the one where you hold out with the protoss heroes (zeratuls 3rd flashback) ,

in short, the finale was even more disappointing than the time i lost my virginity

tychus was the man, so was/is tosh (depending which route you went)
the only thing that surprised me in this game was the fact that matt horner smoked a cigar. and one more gripe i have with this game, okay, we finally get the hybrids whoa theyre killer right? fk off theres only 2 in the whole game that they throw at you, i mean there should be like a goddam race dedicated to them, and yeah, mengsk still lives, hybrids still exist, goddamn danny vermillion is in the hospital, no cliffhangers my ass, this game brought up so many questions, more than it answered, for example, the most important question of all : why the fuck did i spend 60€ on it ?

oh and last gripe : the story would of maybe been okay... MAYBE , but they had to rush everything in it (the character development ffs), like youre a pedophile at kindergarten and everyone knows except you and theyre trying to get rid of you and theyre being really nice but in the end it still sucks cuz you go to jail

[Roland]

There's one thing I haven't seen noted yet. Zeratul totally saw her un-infestation coming. He told Raynor "You will hold her life in your hands," and that would be impossible for Raynor if she were the Queen of Blades, so dispel all your misgivings about her being un-infested being as bad as her death. Whatever Kerrigan needs to do, she can do in her current state, and that narrows down what she will do to stop the Glowing Eyes quite a bit.

I'm betting the infestation had some effect on Kerrigan's decision making, and moral compass, if only by making her survival of the fittest instinct go off the charts. We've never seen a "good" infested Terran after all. Even though it may not be canon, the alternative choice to saving the Haven colonists is the best example. Minor spoilers if you chose to fight the Protoss to protect the colonists. Dr Hanson somehow infests herself. She is partially Zerg when Raynor returns, and attacks him rather savagely. You may be upset at him for purging your people's infestation with death, but you don't go nuts and try to kill him for it, I think she was driven nuts by her infestation, despite clearly retaining some aspects of her humanity. It's like spectres, they don't necessarily become killing machines when you give them terrazine, but the power and stress sometimes drives them nuts to go on a killing spree.

I think HoS will consist of Kerrigan, still technically infested, but freed, wrestling with her Zerg side to become good or evil. Meanwhile, she'll be rebuilding your powers, after being severely weakened by the artifact. The DVD video with all the cinematics give you a little information in between so you know what's happening. I can't remember the exact terminology, but it makes it sound like a huge amount of Zerg were killed by the artifact. You'll probably be hunting down surviving hives for an army. I think the new SC2 website said there were 5 billion on Aiur, that's a jackpot.

Also, I think the artifact worked just like I speculated an Energy Creature would. It kills all the Zerg, but not the Terran, which is why you could use it on a small scale as a defensive weapon. So when the wave hit Kerrigan, it killed all the parts of Kerrigan that were Zerg, and left her Terran parts alive. The question is why, and if, any Zerg parts were left, like her hair. It's possible the artifact was "smart" enough to not kill the Zerg parts vital to her survival, we have no idea what this was made for after all, it could exist for this express purpose. During the "Utter Darkness" mission, the Protoss stored information in their archives, so those after them do not make the same mistakes. It could be something like that, an artifact left behind for future generation to defeat Glowing Eyes.

[Agiel7]

Seriously wasn't a fan of the ending as it evoked that same topic title from my nightmares: "Do you think Joe Raynor will cure Kerrigan and wind up with here?" and also it seemed as if Blizzard's lore team wrote themselves into a corner. My guess is that Blizzard will go back on what they said that you'll be playing as Kerrigan in HoS and play instead as a minion of the Dark Voice or something, which would seriously bum me out (Blizzard flip-flopped on Diablo 3's art style and on Real ID, why can't they now?). Somehow, I have the niggling notion that the prophecy didn't necessarily have to have Kerrigan die in order to guarantee the destruction of the galaxy by the Hybrids, just that she needed to be usurped from "Queen Bitch of the universe" and that Raynor had inadvertantly doomed everyone with the artifact.


Also, it seemed to me that Infested Kerrigan was more than happy to have the galaxy plunged into oblivion, which when taken into context with the rest of the campaign, makes me unsure of what to think of that.


That said, if you do play as Kerrigan trying to re-take control of the Zerg for the forces of good, I think it'd be neat if she suffered from a Gollum/Smeagol complex (even though I hated the LoTR movies) where her sweet human side struggled with her Queen of Blades alternate personality.

[Spartan13]

Yeah people talking about predictability are forgetting 2 facts

1) No one could predict what the sc1 storyline would be cause no one knew what sc1 was....

2) Internet wasn't the same back then(9-10 years ago).Now we got like tons of forums discussing lore material SO NATURALLY someone will predict the story and wth does that mean? that its predictable?come on..

P.s Kerrigan turning evil again is not an option...and if this ending seemed lame to some...Kerrigan reverting again(which in fact will be the second time)would be lamer than lamer than lamer.