The Klingons, Protoss, and Jaffa at Pandora

[drakolobo]

A terran wrangler is psychic. An eldar is mentioned to be more psychic than an average human psyker in Warhammer 40k (and more importantly, they can control their psychic powers, whereas human psykers will be shot if they can't master their abilities, or they're fed to the emperor).

Wangler clear that they are psychic, but they are small scale, and what I mean with "in a comparison with the protoss , the eldar are not psychic"

So above, you mentioned that eldar are psychic (by account of mentioning wranglers, which are psychic), and that's all that needs to be said.

simply emphasize that the psychic abilities of the zealot is fine in comparison with basics Eldar

Zealots are not another kind of citizen. They are members of the Templar Caste, warriors who have devoted many decades or even centuries of their life to combat, just like the Eldar aspect warriors, who train a long time, some of them even dedicating themselves too much towards the art of war and becoming exarchs.

The protoss birth belong to a caste, so they are a class of citizens, that determines its activity, so I understand, there is no choice of profession beyond military training for the Templars, so as not Khalai military recruitment, unlike a guardian may belong to an aspect after. and a warrior if desired may have a common life.

Shields can and will be shot down by the concentrated efforts of the aspect warriors working together (hence, aspect warriors).

that is true but the effectiveness depends on the balance Eldar of the issue, which can be desastibilizada, and yes things like fire dragons and dark reaper can deplete a zealot shield faster, but the troops are facing against basic soldier

Which is the exactly same thing as farseers (really dedicated seers trapped on the paths of sorcery), warlocks (seers with aspect warrior training beforehand) and normal seers do.

exactly I was say exclusively about warlock, to the faseer are leader of the Eldar contingent , while high Templar deployed as support , so that faseers lesser proportion in their army

Immortals and dragoons are not common, as the technology to create the dragoon exoshell is lost forever on Aiur, and the few remaining dragoons are rebuilt as immortals.

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about dragons was just memory about of his role before the fall of Aiur, but presumably after the fall both immortal and stalker share his role.about the immortal not be as common as dragoon but nothing indicates their scarcity, so they made more resistant to maintain numbers, also in frontline Vol 1 shows that there are new immortals to receive the new fallen

Escorts can per Battlefleet Gothic rule fight in atmosphere, and there's enough eldar escort ships powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with the great protoss carriers, with devastating laser lances capable of obliterating entire landscapes, powerful torpedoes with guiding systems (some of them even being warp torpedoes which obliterates everything), and weapon batteries of great accuracy, and of course every ship and vehicle uses holo-fields which confuse enemy sensors completely. And the skyhost itself also fields many strong lasers, missiles, pulsar beams and other diverse weaponry. The eldar farseers future-sight itself is reliable enough that being a farseer is a great honour amongst eldar, with most craftworlds being effectively guided by these individuals. In their hands do the eldar of the craftworlds lay their future, and the greatest amongst them, Eldrad Ulthuan, has foreseen the horus heresy and tried to warn the emperor, who's own future-sight could not extend beyond the betrayal of his favorite son, Horus.

I can think of only one word: purification

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Wangler clear that they are psychic, but they are small scale, and what I mean with "in a comparison with the protoss , the eldar are not psychic"

Well, every warhammer 40k eldar codex will prove you wrong.

simply emphasize that the psychic abilities of the zealot is fine in comparison with basics Eldar

A basic eldar (a baker, a gardener, a sculptor) is not on par with a zealot, true. Neither is a protoss of the khalai caste, as just like the eldar artisan, they haven't trained their psychic abilities to create lightning or become superagile. An aspect warrior's psychic abilities are on par with a basic zealot. A high templar has more pronounced psychic abilities, having trained them rigorously. A farseer has also pronounced psychic abilities, having trained them extensively.

The protoss birth belong to a caste, so they are a class of citizens, that determines its activity, so I understand, there is no choice of profession beyond military training for the Templars, so as not Khalai military recruitment, unlike a guardian may belong to an aspect after. and a warrior if desired may have a common life.

Are you now claiming that the protoss born in the templar caste are superior to their brethrens of the judicator and khalai castes?

that is true but the effectiveness depends on the balance Eldar of the issue, which can be desastibilizada, and yes things like fire dragons and dark reaper can deplete a zealot shield faster, but the troops are facing against basic soldier

Dark reapers and fire dragons are basic soldiers. All aspect warriors are the true soldiers of the craftworld eldar. Guardians are bakers, poets, gardeners, flower arrangers and bonesinger who are told that they're needed for guarding stuff and given a run-of-the-mill shuriken catapult for self-defense. The guardian is the equivalent of a khalai caste protoss being told that they go kill zerglings with a psionic kitchen knive.

exactly I was say exclusively about warlock, to the faseer are leader of the Eldar contingent , while high Templar deployed as support , so that faseers lesser proportion in their army

You have to reword that, I unfortunately haven't understood any sentence you were writing.

about dragons was just memory about of his role before the fall of Aiur, but presumably after the fall both immortal and stalker share his role.about the immortal not be as common as dragoon but nothing indicates their scarcity, so they made more resistant to maintain numbers, also in frontline Vol 1 shows that there are new immortals to receive the new fallen

It was just a dragoon shell being modified for Khastiana.
This link explicitely says that the immortal exoshells are not being build from scratch.

I can think of only one word: purification

Eldar perform exterminatus on many human worlds to deny the tyranid hive fleet Leviathan any biomass for their war against the ork empire of Orktavius as written in the 5th edition rulebook.

Though really, obliterating all life on the surface of a world is the least impressive thing. We can do that on ourselves with all the nukes on Earth several times in a row.

And please don't use a bunch of smily in succession.

[Hellgrinder]

Out of pure, unadulterated curiosity, WHAT THE HELL DO THE ELDAR HAVE TO DO WITH THIS SCENARIO????????

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Roland was asking if the eldar could stand a chance against the protoss, or who of the two would win against each another.

[0mar]

Out of pure, unadulterated curiosity, WHAT THE HELL DO THE ELDAR HAVE TO DO WITH THIS SCENARIO????????

because the original question has already been answered. The Protoss annihilate the Klingons, Jaffa and Na'vi at the same time.

[drakolobo]

Well, every warhammer 40k eldar codex will prove you wrong.

well, it became clear that I consider that eldar no training, are psychic (but that I think they have the level of a Wangler), I want you show me an example of an Eldar (not seer) using telepathy or telekinesis in some novel, or any skill that goes beyond a Wangler

Are you now claiming that the protoss born in the templar caste are superior to their brethrens of the judicator and khalai castes?

not only indicated that each caste is a part of society with their own membership base (such as caste tau) and the caste system determines as are used protoss skills, such as Khalai develop their skills for management materials, skills as melt materials with the mind or telekinesis .

A basic eldar (a baker, a gardener, a sculptor) is not on par with a zealot, true. Neither is a protoss of the khalai caste, as just like the eldar artisan, they haven't trained their psychic abilities to create lightning or become superagile. An aspect warrior's psychic abilities are on par with a basic zealot. A high templar has more pronounced psychic abilities, having trained them rigorously. A farseer has also pronounced psychic abilities, having trained them extensively.

aspects are similar but are not in the same league, for example bashee not manifest any psychic ability,except by the psychic cry, for paralyzed that is amplified by his helmet, but does do not use psychic weapons as a warlock , but only use swords energy, while as we saw in queen of blade, protoss can throw a psychic scream that kills creatures.


the point is that there exoskeletons are unused for new fallen warrior, while an immortal is harder than a dragoon, so we can deduce that the extinction of the immortals is a problem long term or medium term

Dark reapers and fire dragons are basic soldiers. All aspect warriors are the true soldiers of the craftworld eldar. Guardians are bakers, poets, gardeners, flower arrangers and bonesinger who are told that they're needed for guarding stuff and given a run-of-the-mill shuriken catapult for self-defense. The guardian is the equivalent of a khalai caste protoss being told that they go kill zerglings with a psionic kitchen knive.

no, actually its temples are less common than the dire avenger temples, and are other aspects are classified as specialists, force support or forces elite, a basic troops is majority of the army infantry (zealot o guard/dire averger)

Though really, obliterating all life on the surface of a world is the least impressive thing. We can do that on ourselves with all the nukes on Earth several times in a row.

purification rays break the planetary crust, considering the size of a carftworld, that's bad

You have to reword that, I unfortunately haven't understood any sentence you were writing.

only, I talk about the warlock, about faseer, his role is as leader , the high templar is deployed as a unit of support, as a proportion of their armies, a high templar is more common than one faseer

And please don't use a bunch of smily in succession.

ok, I no generally used faces, I just wanted to see faces in line,

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well, it became clear that I consider that eldar no training, are psychic (but that I think they have the level of a Wangler), I want you show me an example of an Eldar (not seer) using telepathy or telekinesis in some novel, or any skill that goes beyond a Wangler

Codex Eldar 2nd, 3rd and fourth edition. The novels "Shadowpoint" and "Path of the Warrior". Several short stories in the White Dwarf-magazine.

not only indicated that each caste is a part of society with their own membership base (such as caste tau) and the caste system determines as are used protoss skills, such as Khalai develop their skills for management materials, skills as melt materials with the mind or telekinesis .

So are you saying that the different protoss castes only develop their abilities in different ways?

aspects are similar but are not in the same league, for example bashee not manifest any psychic ability,except by the psychic cry, for paralyzed that is amplified by his helmet, but does do not use psychic weapons as a warlock , but only use swords energy, while as we saw in queen of blade, protoss can throw a psychic scream that kills creatures.

Banshees don't try to kill enemies with their scream, they try to frighten them. If an eldar wanted to kill an enemy with a loud shout, they walk the path of the witch.

the point is that there exoskeletons are unused for new fallen warrior, while an immortal is harder than a dragoon, so we can deduce that the extinction of the immortals is a problem long term or medium term

The exoshell of an immortal is not harder than that of a dragoon at all. They use hardened shields that can reduce some attacks. The protoss are recovering as they've lost the majority of their artisans and shrines on Aiur. If they won't defeat the zerg once and for all in "Legacy of the Void", they'll all face extinction at the claws of the myriad zerg swarms anyway.

no, actually its temples are less common than the dire avenger temples, and are other aspects are classified as specialists, force support or forces elite, a basic troops is majority of the army infantry (zealot o guard/dire averger)

Don't look at game rules when discussing background lore in a background lore forum. In fact, Codex Craftworld Eldar for third edition mixed and matched the troop category that the aspects belonged before, allowing you to make Banshees, fired dragons, dark reapers and anything else as basic troops when fielding an eldar warhost as belonging to Biel-Tann, or wraith guards with phantom lords as front-of-the-line warrior when claiming they were from Iyanden, all vehicles changing from support to basic and elite if they were from Saim-Hann, and however you wanted.
And then there's of course aspects of war that aren't mentioned in the codex, like the shadow orbs, or the star eagles.

purification rays break the planetary crust, considering the size of a carftworld, that's bad

Craftworlds have immense shields, cloaking technology, a permanent defense fleet capable of annihilating any armada that opposes them, and wraithbone is harder than diamond, which can also be regrown out of nothing from the warp by bonesingers. And in the worst case, the entire ship can jump into the warp for five light years away, but that is only in the most dire case.
Don't let the the fragile look confuse you. Just like the protoss, the eldar like to make their works look filigrane and frail, while it's materials and supporting structures are harder than anything man-made.

only, I talk about the warlock, about faseer, his role is as leader , the high templar is deployed as a unit of support, as a proportion of their armies, a high templar is more common than one faseer

Artanis, Tassadar and the legendary Adun were all High Templar, and leaders of the army, or even of the entire protoss populace.

[Lupino]

Banshees don't try to kill enemies with their scream, they try to frighten them. If an eldar wanted to kill an enemy with a loud shout, they walk the path of the witch.

Well, it's a little more than just frighten them:

Howling Banshees are swift and athletic troops who are most deadly in hand-to-hand fighting. Their Banshee masks contain pyschosonic amplifiers that magnify their keening battle screams into mind-destroying shockwaves. This inflicts severe damage to the central nervous system of the Eldar's foe, inspiring a feeling of mortal terror and causing momentary paralysis. A full squad of Banshees activating their masks in unison can cripple an enemy unit before a single blow is struck.

If a squad of Zealots could do that, their battles would be a lot more one-sided than they already are. Howling Banshee Exarchs also have a more powerful version capable of causing permanent damage.

[Kacaier]

If a squad of Zealots could do that, their battles would be a lot more one-sided than they already are. Howling Banshee Exarchs also have a more powerful version capable of causing permanent damage.

That reminds me of what l33telboi brought up from Twilight:

HALT!

The order that slammed into her brain was so intense that Rosemary gasped and stumbled, falling into one of the protoss who had also come to a stop beside her. He caught her quickly and steadied her.

Information flooded her brain, a cacophony of mental shouting and explanations, and she bit back a gasp of pain. The protoss next to her squeezed her arm reassuringly. Good God, was this how it was all the time? Until this moment Rosemary hadn't fully appreciated how much Zamara had shielded her--

Regular Protoss speaking cause mental anguish to humans, and I definitely don't think they were purposely trying to cause harm to Rosemary. Although, it has been brought up that Zealots don't do this during battle for some unknown reason. But I don't think Howling Banshees will have any effect on Protoss minds.

[Pandonetho]

Although, it has been brought up that Zealots don't do this during battle for some unknown reason.

My just made up theory: Rosemary was in a state of calm during the discussion.
Marines are either too drugged up by stims or engaged in the heat of the battle with maxed out adrenaline and testosterone to even notice any shouts by the Zealots.

OR, their suits have some limited psionics blocking technology (like a cheap version of a psi screen) but of course there's no basis for any of this.

So yeah, who knows.