[?Spoiler?] Thought on Recent Hero Portraits

[Alex06]

And I've already pointed out that all it shows is that the assets are in the editor, and does not necessarily mean they are in the campaign. Is it possible? Yes. However, it's also been previously highlighted the difficulty of putting such lore-significant Protoss characters into the game; there isn't enough time to explain their role in Protoss society and they are too important to be simply used as throwaway characters in the main campaign. Had these been randomly named characters, they'd more likely to be appearing in the main campaign.

The achievements are from the new SC2 BNET site...Why would they have them if you can't get them? The units aren't just in the editor...They have to be already playable or you have to fight against them to have the achievements. You can't make a map and have achievements in the custom map. All achievements are for things either possible in ladder or the campaign. No such thing as achievements for the editor or custom maps.

Anyways, these units are probably used in the Protoss side campaign.

[pure.Wasted]

The achievements are from the new SC2 BNET site...Why would they have them if you can't get them? The units aren't just in the editor...They have to be already playable or you have to fight against them to have the achievements. You can't make a map and have achievements in the custom map. All achievements are for things either possible in ladder or the campaign. No such thing as achievements for the editor or custom maps.

Anyways, these units are probably used in the Protoss side campaign.

All we have is an achievement that unlocks Mohandar's portrait. Not an achievement that unlocks Mohandar. The portrait does not have to have ANY use in the campaign; as long as they've made it, they can put it to use as an unlockable in the MP.

I'm 100% with mr. peasant.

Had these been randomly named characters, they'd more likely to be appearing in the main campaign.

^this. We're bound to get face time with Artanis and Selendis at the very least, and that's already on top of 2-3 missions that revolve around Zeratul. There's only so many characters you can service well within the scope of a single campaign.

Which isn't to say I'm absolutely certain they're not doing it; or even that it can't be done right, maybe it can. But I wouldn't bet money on it.

[Alex06]

All we have is an achievement that unlocks Mohandar's portrait. Not an achievement that unlocks Mohandar. The portrait does not have to have ANY use in the campaign; as long as they've made it, they can put it to use as an unlockable in the MP.

I'm 100% with mr. peasant.



^this. We're bound to get face time with Artanis and Selendis at the very least, and that's already on top of 2-3 missions that revolve around Zeratul. There's only so many characters you can service well within the scope of a single campaign.

Which isn't to say I'm absolutely certain they're not doing it; or even that it can't be done right, maybe it can. But I wouldn't bet money on it.

I never mentionned the portrait! I said there is a list of achievements and there are even icons for them, 3 of which are for these Protoss hero units. The achievements are something like "Kill x number of units with Selendis' Carrier". THAT WOULDN'T BE IN WINGS OF LIBERTY AND HAVE AN ICON IF IT WASN'T UNLOCKABLE IN WOL! That's what I've been trying to say over and over again, dude. xD

I'm telling you THESE HERO UNITS ARE IN THE GAME. This is not up for debate and this assumption you uphold, no matter how logical it might seem, is INCORRECT. There is data for these units in the beta and in the final version of the game, so they ARE in the game for sure.

[pure.Wasted]

I never mentionned the portrait! I said there is a list of achievements and there are even icons for them, 3 of which are for these Protoss hero units. The achievements are something like "Kill x number of units with Selendis' Carrier". THAT WOULDN'T BE IN WINGS OF LIBERTY AND HAVE AN ICON IF IT WASN'T UNLOCKABLE IN WOL! That's what I've been trying to say over and over again, dude. xD

I'm telling you THESE HERO UNITS ARE IN THE GAME. This is not up for debate and this assumption you uphold, no matter how logical it might seem, is INCORRECT. There is data for these units in the beta and in the final version of the game, so they ARE in the game for sure.

Oh. Well, could you...... link us to these achievements? If such explicit, inarguable proof exists out there in the cosmos... it sure seems like it would help to have it on hand.

I haven't seen any SP achievements yet. You might very well be right.

[Alex06]

Oh. Well, could you...... link us to these achievements? If such explicit, inarguable proof exists out there in the cosmos... it sure seems like it would help to have it on hand.

I haven't seen any SP achievements yet. You might very well be right.

Here you go:


This is only like 1/3rd or 1/4th of them, though. There are also a few MP achievements in this one.

[pure.Wasted]

Erm. I've seen that. But where's the bit that says, "Kill x number of units with Selendis' Carrier" or "Kill x number of units with Mohandar's Void Ray" or whatever?

[Alex06]

Erm. I've seen that. But where's the bit that says, "Kill x number of units with Selendis' Carrier" or "Kill x number of units with Mohandar's Void Ray" or whatever?

That was more of an educated guess I'd say...But I think the image is enough to prove that these units are in the game and will appear in the campaign. The other units in the pic are of Raynor with a Sniper and Mercenaries. These will all appear in the game. I think it's pretty obvious that the Protoss heroes will also be in the campaign.

[mr. peasant]

That was more of an educated guess I'd say...But I think the image is enough to prove that these units are in the game and will appear in the campaign. The other units in the pic are of Raynor with a Sniper and Mercenaries. These will all appear in the game. I think it's pretty obvious that the Protoss heroes will also be in the campaign.

Not to criticise your rationale but I think it's more a stab in the dark rather than definite certainty. For instance, you're overlooking the fact that there are similarly designed portraits for the Colossus, Immortal and Stalker as well. If these are all characters who will be appearing in the campaign, that's a heck of a lot of Protoss characters for what is supposed to be a Terran campaign (remember, Zeratul's mini-campaign only covers a few missions and forms a small fraction of WoL).

Moreover, I contend those icons aren't all being used for achievements exclusively. This is because there are 81 icons on that page alone. And since there are 5 such pages, that gives a total of 405 icons. That would be a lot no matter how you cut it. And even if half of them are being used for the campaign, that averages about 7/mission; which is still too high since the missions we've seen so far feature 3-4 achievements (including level completion). A more likely alternative is that these icons are being used for all purposes (meaning units, abilities, research, etc) and/or unused or spare icons.

[Alex06]

Not to criticise your rationale but I think it's more a stab in the dark rather than definite certainty. For instance, you're overlooking the fact that there are similarly designed portraits for the Colossus, Immortal and Stalker as well. If these are all characters who will be appearing in the campaign, that's a heck of a lot of Protoss characters for what is supposed to be a Terran campaign (remember, Zeratul's mini-campaign only covers a few missions and forms a small fraction of WoL).

Moreover, I contend those icons aren't all being used for achievements exclusively. This is because there are 81 icons on that page alone. And since there are 5 such pages, that gives a total of 405 icons. That would be a lot no matter how you cut it. And even if half of them are being used for the campaign, that averages about 7/mission; which is still too high since the missions we've seen so far feature 3-4 achievements (including level completion). A more likely alternative is that these icons are being used for all purposes (meaning units, abilities, research, etc) and/or unused or spare icons.

Those are achievement icons. The filename even says achievements, and I got them from the new SC2 BNET site, NOT from the game's files, and that site doesn't have unit icons yet...Please stop overlooking what's obvious...We haven't seen all the achievements and the first few missions don't include hero units. Since you do play Protoss in a few missions (mini-campaign), there could be a "kill x amount of units with a stalker" or "build x stalkers" achievements.