Annoying strategy TvZ,vP and why can SCVS be attacked while building?

[TheRabidDeer]

no need to be mean man "use your head and think"
not everyone is diamond level
and if your better than us just help us then its o man alright thx
and it still doesnt change the fact that its annoying which is the point of this thread
and 2 svcs is still a lot in my mind for one probe but i cant change it and ill deal with it

thank you kyr200 for your nice response

I did try to help you in my very first post, even nicely. Then you responded with options, even though I had already told you everything that you need to do. So, I respond again with the exact same tip worded differently (the same thing that kyr200 says even), but tack on a "use your head and think" at the end. Why do I say this? Because its actually what you need to do. I am just frustrated at people complaining about things like this (in particular, from a few selective individuals on this forum) that dont put thought into things before asking for change.

If you have a problem in the future, rationalize the problem.

1) Identify the problem, ask yourself what is causing issues.
2) Ask yourself, why is it causing you issues? Does it frustrate you? Is it difficult to handle?
3) What can you do about it? Explore some options. Put yourself in his shoes if you need to, and see if it is difficult to manage on his end and if there is a weakness. Be honest with yourself and dont exclude things for the sake of an easy way out.

After you think of some things to try and as you narrow down the list, actually try them in the next game if he does it to you.

PS: I got this bit of a list when I was thinking about making a thread to try and improve the quality of posts, either by reducing whining or getting better ideas to actually help the game along... though this was made a couple months ago, I may as well include it in this post since its on the same theme and my frustrations about peoples complaints is rising again.

"4 questions to ask before you make a complaint/suggestion:
1) What dont you like?
2) What dont you like about it?
3) How would you change it?
4) How would the change fix it?"

[SYL]

I think its something unique that adds to each race. Bunker rushes would be crazy annoying if you couldn't kill the SCV to stop it. Protoss have their own annoying issues such as the lose your pylon, lose power to everything. Zerg are annoying because of overlords which die super easy, and so on.

Just bring another SCV and micro it to ensure it doesn't get stuck. Your opponent is microing and will be spending just as much time as you do. Also, you really should have enough SCV's to handle pulling off 1 or 2 extra. It won't hurt that bad. Either way, the barracks is only 60 seconds You can survive that long. And lings and zealots take long enough to get. Gateway is 65 seconds now as well

[Lopan91]

im sorry therabiddeer for our misunderstanding i never meant to complain and i didnt think i was doing so but originally you just said that "Use other SCV's, swap, repair, take your pick. " which yes its a tactic in helping to stop the probe harrass but u never clearly explained it until later posts. Then i was explaining how one would go to think that you would need 3 scvs and i did that in detail but i was wrong which ill admit. i didnt see it your way.

1) Identify the problem, ask yourself what is causing issues.-probes are harrassing my builders while they build. so i have to pull off 3 scvs to deal with it

2) Ask yourself, why is it causing you issues? Does it frustrate you? Is it difficult to handle? -not really causing me issues just an annoyance. It does frustrate me. for me its moderately difficult but i can handle it

3) What can you do about it? Explore some options. Put yourself in his shoes if you need to, and see if it is difficult to manage on his end and if there is a weakness. Be honest with yourself and dont exclude things for the sake of an easy way out.
-i explained earlier what id do and how id react if i was in his shoes(later found out there was a better way)

1) What dont you like? -probes harrassing scvs while they are building
2) What dont you like about it?- mainly just annoying
3) How would you change it? possibly make them invuln when building, but i wouldnt as SYL says its something thats unique to the race
4) How would the change fix it?" -yes but then the terran race would lose some of its uniqueness and make bunker rushes harder to stop

overall i dont think i was complaining just agreeing with thread saying it was an annoying strategy and theres no need to flame noobs if you would have just said what u said in your 3rd post there would have been no need for this. Sorry again if i sound childish or angry in this post i dont mean to be

and remember for every complainer or troll theres also a flamer and all of those
people make forums worse
happy starcrafting

[TheRabidDeer]

You dont sound childish or angry, I was just irritated and probably said too much. You pretty much did what most people should be doing when they have an issue with something in that you did actually analyze the problem before posting.

[Skyze]

I find it the other way around; You cant manually target the building SCV because they are inside the builder, so you have to rely on attack move and there being no other units near by (unless the scv is on the outside, which is like only 10% of the time building)..

AND at least for probes, they slide around like retards and miss all their attacks, while SCVs attack solid. SCVs are the best worker when it comes to attacking while "gliding".. at least, way better than probes, which are the stupidest worker in the game. Drone is not as good as they were in BW (with their spitting) but still quite strong.

And really, isnt terran super super strong as it is? if anything, scvs should be reduced even more in hp to make it even for other races, with how insane their marauders/tank smartfiring is. Protoss cant even apply early pressure to stop terrans from free-expoing and still having enough units to hold off anything short of a 4warpgate rush (even then, terran can hold it off).. so making scvs invunerable would be the exact oppopsite of what needs to be done to fix the balance in this game.

[Norfindel]

AND at least for probes, they slide around like retards and miss all their attacks

I noticed that, it's really silly. They cannot hit a moving target.

[Blazur]

It's balanced by the fact that SCV's can be pulled off the building to retreat or conduct other work, and return later to finish the job. Frankly this doesn't bother me and represents a unique racial difference.

Also, it's incredibly hard to break a Terran wall once they've secured it. Aggressively attacking the SCV's early on to delay this is a balanced counter.

[GRUNT]

It's nigh impossible to manually select the building SCV you want to attack, and even when you use a-move, the SCV still just zips around and my attacking worker just gets confused and does nothing! >=(

If anything, SCVs should be made easier to select to attack!

[Sarov]

Moved to the Strategy Forum.