Hybrids and insfestations

[Pandonetho]

Yeah, I'm tired of all this once again.

PS: You guys shouldn't get the wrong idea. Me & Pandonetho are tight & chat over MSN all the time. Nothing wrong with a little hardcore debating. :P

This. Although we seem to get totally worked up, we're still tight.

Back on topic: I wonder if we'll see Gestalt Zero in the campaign as an easter egg of any sort. It'd be pretty neat I think. He could kind of be like Raynor, since he no longer works for the Dominion and is free. But then Raynor already has Tosh.

[deadlock]

moderators shouldn't post insulting pictures!

[flabortast]

Good lord Protoss fanbois saying the Protoss are unbeatable. I can bet you that New Gettysburg Cinematics for SC2 will show Kerrigan kill some Zealots and Protoss Fanboys will still say it is not accurate.

[Kknewkles]

I can bet you that New Gettysburg Cinematics for SC2 will show Kerrigan kill some Zealots

You're on!!!

Protoss Fanboys will still say it is not accurate.

I will have to agree, but I don't believe it will happen.
But if it happens - I'll agree.

[Norfindel]

Good lord Protoss fanbois saying the Protoss are unbeatable. I can bet you that New Gettysburg Cinematics for SC2 will show Kerrigan kill some Zealots and Protoss Fanboys will still say it is not accurate.

If you care about stablished lore, it's not possible in hand to hand combat. If they got shot, that's another story. But 3 Zealots at 5m distance? You're dead.

[Gradius]

moderators shouldn't post insulting pictures!

Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin:

Kerrigan, infested, still seems to be as strong as a human. She retains her human body shape. Yet, she and Zeratul have about the same strength, and Kerrigan is a woman! (I don't care if you think it's sexist, it's true that men have higher muscular potential than women...Well, in any case, well-built men have higher muscle power than women who look like beauty queens! :P) So yes, it is VERY plausible for a human to be able to defeat a Protoss. A normal one? Maybe not, but a cybernetically and genetically enhanced human (ex: Crysis Nanosuit meets a harshly trained, genetically enhanced human). Add psionics to that, and it is plausible.

1) Kerrigan ripped off a steel door in Queen of Blades, so there's no way any comparisons to her & humans can be made.
2) Kerrigan's arms aren't as dangerous as her wings.
3) There's alot more to strength than muscle mass - such as the amount of motor units that can be recruited.
4) Kerrigan & Zeratul increase their strength with psionics, and they're both way more powerful than any humans.

Now, Zero didn't defeat them singlehandedly, but it seems plausible that he could defeat a Zealot singlehandedly, if he managed to avoid its psionic blades (like any other living sentient being in StarCraft). Plus, don't forget that Zero also has armor, not just the zealots! And he's not just a human, he seems more like a Protoss mentally.

Yes, Zero could shoot a Zealot and kill it by sneaking up on it via cloak or something. But in a direct 1v1 it would lose, for reasons I already mentioned:

I doubt that. It's part human, which makes it weak. You can give it Protoss nerve cords, but the brain is still largely human. And can it turn into energy? Use precognition? Not to mention the fact that it's as small as a human and doesn't have the power of a horse in each of its muscle fibers like a regular Protoss.

Also, the mission really did took place in a city on Tarsonis, not in space. The Sons of Korhal just routed the Protoss from the surface, who then retreated from Tarsonis.

As I've been saying for the last page, the Protoss were still there after that mission. And they were on the ground fighting. It's in the post-mission text for the New Gettysburg mission.

[Alex06]

Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin:





1) Kerrigan ripped off a steel door in Queen of Blades, so there's no way any comparisons to her & humans can be made.
2) Kerrigan's arms aren't as dangerous as her wings.
3) There's alot more to strength than muscle mass - such as the amount of motor units that can be recruited.
4) Kerrigan & Zeratul increase their strength with psionics, and they're both way more powerful than any humans.

Yes, Zero could shoot a Zealot and kill it by sneaking up on it via cloak or something. But in a direct 1v1 it would lose, for reasons I already mentioned:



As I've been saying for the last page, the Protoss were still there after that mission. And they were on the ground fighting. It's in the post-mission text for the New Gettysburg mission.

Ah I see, well, it's been a long time since I played that mission so forgive me on that...And I haven't read more than the first 2 pages. :P

as for Zero, I don't recall it being specified whether he was a human or Protoss at first or if he was born as a Protoss/Terran Hybrid directly and was made to mature quickly...At the end of the manga story, he speaks like a Protoss, his mentality seems like that of a Protoss. That's what I meant to say.

EDIT: Just checked, Zero is human, he just utters a Protoss saying in rememberance to Muadun (he probably read his mind and that's how he knew it). Though oddly, he has Protoss skin and eyes...Genetic enhancements? If so, who's to say he couldn't have gotten genetic enhancements for his muscles? Kerrigan has genetic enhancements for her muscle and has strong psionics and she can fight other Protoss fist-to-fist. I say Zero has the potential to be that strong. I'm not sure he is strong enough, but he can still become just as strong. That's what I've been saying.

And I'm not sure I understand what you meant by this:

There's alot more to strength than muscle mass - such as the amount of motor units that can be recruited.

[Gradius]

I think Muadun invaded his mind or something. :4

[Alex06]

I think Muadun invaded his mind or something. :4

Similiarly to Zamara?
That does seem plausible.

[Kimera757]

The wiki isn't really a valid source for quoting. Here's what it says in the actual game after the mission:

You do know Liberty's Crusade went into more detail about that, right?

Where's the proof that they failed. Several Confederate people survived, like Handy Anderson, or a bunch of the characters from SC:G Nova.

I'm a little unclear about who failed here -- SOK? Protoss?, but all these people were saved due to Mengsk. (StarCraft: Ghost: Nova and Liberty's Crusade made that clear.) Those Old Family heirs seen in Ghost Academy 2 had evacuated Tarsonis months before its fall.

Liberty's Crusade basically canonized the bonus SC mission where Tassadar introduced himself and helped the Sons of Korhal fight Zerg.

There wasn't even an implied alliance there, just a common enemy. I've read Liberty's Crusade several times.

Muadun broke his neural inhibitor, so Kerrigan is not more powerful than him if that's what you're saying.

???

If the Tal'Darim detected a shielded Rosemary so easily in Shadow Hunters

Dahl wasn't cloaked. The "shielding" that Zamara did to her simply prevented them from reading her mind. They could still see her. Dahl walked right past them without noticing them because the Tal'darim were cloaked!

and Colin was detected so easily by Zerg and that Wrangler

Colin was easily detected by zerg, yes... but not the wrangler. Colin was hiding in another room and the wrangler couldn't even sense him until the wrangler tortured him with his psi-screen.

As for the painting, I contend that Kerrigan had hideous amounts of backup instead of running away & cloaking.

That's not the way the battle was described. Heck, Raynor complained (in the game itself) that she had "no backup".