Just when you thought Naruto anime couldn't get any worse.

[DemolitionSquid]

lol wtf was that >.<

The conservatives, it appears.

[Kacaier]

By the way, normal biology is the standard. It's the normal base that humans and animals have had since we became sexual creatures. Sex is meant to be a biological urge to procreate. Gay sex serves no procreation purpose, therefore, you should not be attracted to something you cannot procreate with. It's one thing to have unemotional sex and not want a baby. It's another thing to be attracted to something that you are biologically designed to NOT be attracted to.

You forget though, that we are no longer purely biological creatures. We have become, as Artanis would say, "much more sophisticated." We've created many laws that go against our natural impulses and urges. We cannot have sex when we have become sexually viable anymore (13 to just under 18). We cannot just take a mate when we want to (rape), although there are many instances in the animal kingdom that this is a legitimate tactic. We wear clothing, although we are most likely evolved to be capable of surviving without it. True, while we had clothing when we started become more hairless, humans in tropical areas of Africa, the areas where we evolved, wear as little as a loin cloth or penis sheath.

No one shuns the fact that we no longer have sex to procreate. We are not majority Catholics stating seed may not be wasted. We have condoms and many forms of contraceptives. Is this a good thing? Very. With advent of modern medicine, we've expanded our lifespans far beyond our natural inhibitions. It is because of modern medicine that we are so overpopulated. The third world actually have less children than they did before medicine was given out like candy. But do you advocate we should only have sex to procreate, with no fooling around or casual sex?

If we want to base our society back on biology, then we cannot have technology. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

So, to answer your question about homosexuality. Is it natural? Not in the sense that all human beings should do it. But is it natural for homosexuals who are not attracted to the opposite sex? Quite so. This is true many times in the animal kingdom. Whether it is an aberration or mutation does not matter, as their biology will find it natural, much like certain homosexual animals in the natural world. And again, as an evolved techno-society, we do not base ourselves on the so-called natural order. We are far from natural.

So, be as the Libertarians, and let people do what they wish. If it doesn't harm you, then let it be.

[TargetBlue]

Oh...you know..we are only human dear findlay, one can get pretty passionate about something. One strike of a nerve and, I just got poked. Who was that?

[Kacaier]

To get back on topic...

The real is question is why Gradius generalizes anime. Now it appears he's just as closed-minded to anime now because he seems to be a bit traumatized by stereotypical visions of what an anime is...

[screw_ball69]

Did we really just start a discussion on homosexuality...

As for not knowing what masculine traits are, there's more to masculinity than buldging muscles and facial hair, you'd be surprised what defines a man elsewhere in the world wethier it be looks or past experiences.

[DemolitionSquid]

[Nenol-phoenix]

OK

I know we're supposed to stay on topic and that I'm just asking for trouble, but I just cannot stand this type of thinking, I find it disgusting

@Kacaier: Just another example of the problems of today's youth lacking a moral standard. They're confused about so many things and everything has to have a damn gray area. Does not look good for my children. It's no wonder some people have forgotten what it means to be a man and what male characteristics look like.

Given that you're arguing from a biological point of view there's no such thing as to "what it means to be a man and what male characteristics look like." Agreed there are stereotypical characteristics that point towards masculinity, however from a biological standpoint, they don't matter. Why? Because it's just treats that help you survive and reproduce that are important.
Example: you can say that fleeing form a fight or attacking from the back are not-manly things, however they will help you sruvive, and that's what matters in the long run. What help it does being tall, bulky, and full of facial hair if you get yourself killed in incredibly stupid ways (I suggest you google "Darwin Awards" to know what I mean).

But, are you trying to tell me that gay sex is normal and not a perversion? Or are you trying to say that all sex is a perversion unless you are attracted to it? Are you kidding me? I think you're a bit lost on what exactly sex is. There is normal sex, there is more hardcore sex, there is kinky sex, and then there's gay sex which goes against normal biology. You can enjoy kinky sex without going against normal biology.

By the way, normal biology is the standard. It's the normal base that humans and animals have had since we became sexual creatures. Sex is meant to be a biological urge to procreate. Gay sex serves no procreation purpose, therefore, you should not be attracted to something you cannot procreate with. It's one thing to have unemotional sex and not want a baby. It's another thing to be attracted to something that you are biologically designed to NOT be attracted to.

Gay sex is not normal in a biological aspect, but saying that sex can be classified in normal, hardcore, kinky and gay is plain stupid. There's heterosexual sex and homosexual sex and that's it, one has the capability of giving offspring, the other doesn't. Maybe you can say it's a perversion, but it's going to get fixed by nature anyways, no offspring no continuity of the genes, problem solved.

Also I have learned from my experience that is usually the ones that are unsure about the sexual preferences the first ones to attack gay people, dunno why.
Man if you are sure about what you want then what's the problem, gay people will be gay people and they WON'T turn you gay, just live and let live; in the end nature will take it's course and select only the ones fittest for survival.

And to stay a little on-topic.
To say that anime is directly related with homosexuality is just plain retarded.
According to you then half Japan is gay

[Pandonetho]

Anyway, Digimon totally sucks compared to Pokemon. When I first saw it, I was like wtf is dis shit? A Pokemon rip off? And that's what stayed in my mind forever (I never gave it a chance, the episodes I watched were way too scary for me).

As for some people suggesting Bleach, seriously, that anime has gone downhill ever since the Bount arc. It's just so bad now. I randomly downloaded one of the latest episodes to watch and I just couldn't stand how bad it was.

I think I'll go rewatch Naruto 1-100 again just to kind of remember how good it used to be and how bad it is now.

[Norfindel]

That's ridiculous. It would be gay if the actions of the characters defined them as gay.
How is that they're gay if they do not perform any gay actions during the entire show?

There's also anime specifically aimed to the gay market. Standard anime is not.

And why would the characters all look like they consumed steroids their whole life? That's an stereotype and most men don't look like that. Let alone that most anime has main characters on the range of 15 years.

About specially bad anime episodes, they're commonly created when a series is based on a manga that is been made at the same time. Manga is slower, so anime makers create "fill" episodes, that most of the time are bad. I just skip them. I don't watch Naruto, by the way. It's clearly been stretched a lot, and has fill episodes everywhere.

[TheEconomist]

Where did I say they are gay? See. This is what I mean. READ MY POSTS PEOPLE!!!

And, why not have "steroid consumers" if you have the liberty of creating a perfect man? Why chose a weak feminine androgynous male when you could create a 300 dude, Marcus Fenix, Kratos, or whatever else? It shows a problem in Japan and that's what I'm commenting on.

Please read and understand, damnit. This is getting ridiculous.