Just when you thought Naruto anime couldn't get any worse.

[Kacaier]

Guys. You've forgotten that fighting inside someone's body, while pulling out each others chakra and fighting outside is different. And don't forget that without Kushina's help Naruto would probably have lost.

What I'm saying is, help or not, it's been done. Why repeat? There isn't too much a difference in the fight itself whether he beats it by himself or with his mom's help. What else can Kyuubi do besides whack him with his tails/claws and shoot a giant energy beam? And I must say, inside his head is crowded as hell.

Naruto fighting to beat both Madara and the Juubi will be a greater feat magnitudes over what he can hope in just fighting the Kyuubi again.

There's nothing stronger thatn Kyuubi. The only way to defeat him in the end is to seal him. Of course there's Jubi, but unless the combination of all beasts gives an unspeakable cocktail of energy Kyuubi is the major part of its force.

I think you're overestimating the Kyuubi. That may have been true at the start of the series, but we've been shown much more powerful beings. There's Madara who can easily control the Kyuubi, the Sage of the Six Paths who beat the Juubi, and the First Hokage who beat both Madara and the Kyuubi.

While Kyuubi is the most powerful Bijuu, there's no saying how much in magnitude it is over the others. Just because it's the strongest, doesn't make it more powerful than all other Bijuu combined. And we've seen Akatsuki easily dispatch the other Bijuu.

[Kknewkles]

What I'm saying is, help or not, it's been done. Why repeat? There isn't too much a difference in the fight itself whether he beats it by himself or with his mom's help. What else can Kyuubi do besides whack him with his tails/claws and shoot a giant energy beam? And I must say, inside his head is crowded as hell.

Naruto fighting to beat both Madara and the Juubi will be a greater feat magnitudes over what he can hope in just fighting the Kyuubi again.

Point taken. But considering how he almost have lost against Fox, I can't imagine him fighting Jubi + Madara. At least as of now.
Maybe he will learn crazy Uzumaki-style waterb...(wanted to write bending, hehe =) ) water techniques and make water-air-style shuriken...

I think you're overestimating the Kyuubi. That may have been true at the start of the series, but we've been shown much more powerful beings. There's Madara who can easily control the Kyuubi, the Sage of the Six Paths who beat the Juubi, and the First Hokage who beat both Madara and the Kyuubi.

Say, constant regeneration and endless chakra supply... you think there are things comparable to him(aside of Jubi) in terms of raw power?
Fact that Madara easily controls Kyuubi doesn't mean that he is stronger than the Fox. Perhaps would these two fight fair and square, I mean without controlling stuff, Madara would have his ass handed to him. I'd say most likely.
And about Hashirama against Madara + Fox - we don't know the details.
I doubt even Hashirama would be able to beat both of them. Heck, we have next to no info on what 1st was capable of.

While Kyuubi is the most powerful Bijuu, there's no saying how much in magnitude it is over the others. Just because it's the strongest, doesn't make it more powerful than all other Bijuu combined. And we've seen Akatsuki easily dispatch the other Bijuu.

Form what we've seen from other beasts power of Bijuu raises in something like exponent. First few are mockery. Then some more serious stuff. And then - monsters like 8 Tails and Fox.
Though yeah... there maybe people with insane raw power, present Raikage for example - he fought and defeated Octopus.

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

[Nenol-phoenix]

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

And so did Pain, who in turn got owned by Naruto

[Kknewkles]

And so did Pain, who in turn got owned by Naruto

Good point!
But Fox while he has gigantic energy output has limitless amounts of it and regenerates. So this law - you can own but you can get served - doesn't apply to him at that large scale.

And about Pain getting owned by Naruto: how in frozen hell have God Realm sustain that much damage? Naruto destroyed others but Yahiko's body took damage up to million times as hard! HOWWW?!
I understand they had to make episode, but where is their conscience, let alone brains??

[Nenol-phoenix]

And about Pain getting owned by Naruto: how in frozen hell have God Realm sustain that much damage? Naruto destroyed others but Yahiko's body took damage up to million times as hard! HOWWW?!
I understand they had to make episode, but where is their conscience, let alone brains??

I think we'll all have to pretend that never happened and stick to the manga storyline.
And yeah they really blew that fight out of proportion, setting aside the terrible drawing style, they took Pain's character and gave him a 180 degree turn, come on he's supposed to be the stoic, calm and powerful Big Bad. Why the hell would he be screaming at the top of his lungs MY PAIN IS GREATER THA YOURS!!! ?

Hidden Content:

not even mentioning the fact that God realm Pain is just Yahiko's corpse, seriously, I think the people who did this chapter haven't even read the corresponding manga chapters

[Kknewkles]

I think we'll all have to pretend that never happened and stick to the manga storyline.

Happened? What happened? What do you mean?
Already on it

And yeah they really blew that fight out of proportion, setting aside the terrible drawing style, they took Pain's character and gave him a 180 degree turn, come on he's supposed to be the stoic, calm and powerful Big Bad.
Why the hell would he be screaming at the top of his lungs MY PAIN IS GREATER THA YOURS!!! ?

Pain: MY PAIN IS GREATER THAN YOURS!!!
Tails, after pummeling him into the ground with a freaking ROCK: I bet it is.

Sorry, couldn't hold myself

And yeah they really blew that fight out of
not even mentioning the fact that God realm Pain is just Yahiko's corpse, seriously, I think the people who did this chapter haven't even read the corresponding manga chapters

Didn't get this part, to be honest. If you mean what I think, hothing kept another bodies, aside from being vulnerable to Naruto(normally vulnerable), to kick much butt pretty much out of everyone.
But God Realm is freaking Hulk.

[Kacaier]

Say, constant regeneration and endless chakra supply... you think there are things comparable to him(aside of Jubi) in terms of raw power?

Even with raw power, that's not everything. Naruto isn't DBZ in the sense that the guy with a higher power level wins. It's more about the techniques and their usage. Kyuubi embodies raw power. That's nice, but that's a one trick card that Naruto beat. Right now, Naruto only uses Kyuubi's chakra as a power-up. Kyuubi is down and gone.

And about Hashirama against Madara + Fox - we don't know the details.
I doubt even Hashirama would be able to beat both of them. Heck, we have next to no info on what 1st was capable of.

Well, we can speculate, but that's what's taken at face value. We'll have to hear it from Madara on his take of the account. But let's face it, they were both beaten either ways.

Form what we've seen from other beasts power of Bijuu raises in something like exponent. First few are mockery. Then some more serious stuff. And then - monsters like 8 Tails and Fox.

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

All bijuu are probably capable of taking down villages by themselves. Shukaku was pretty powerful in itself and I bet could take down Sunagakure. The exponential differences are entirely speculative. I don't think Kyuubi is that much more magnificent that than Ichibi.

[Nenol-phoenix]

Didn't get this part, to be honest. If you mean what I think, hothing kept another bodies, aside from being vulnerable to Naruto(normally vulnerable), to kick much butt pretty much out of everyone.
But God Realm is freaking Hulk.

Nah I wasn't refering to the ass-kicking capabilities or their resistance to being *ehem* hammered into the gorund .
I was refering to the fact that you don't expect a corpse to make all those weird facial expressions and be screaming hhhiiiiyaaayaaaaaaaaaaa at the top of its lungs, given that... well.. it's a corpse.. you know

[Kknewkles]

Nah I wasn't refering to the ass-kicking capabilities or their resistance to being *ehem* hammered into the gorund .
I was refering to the fact that you don't expect a corpse to make all those weird facial expressions and be screaming hhhiiiiyaaayaaaaaaaaaaa at the top of its lungs, given that... well.. it's a corpse.. you know

Even though Naruto sometimes f*cks any common sense, I wouldn't think it's entirely impossible. I'm sure Nagato can control any muscle of body.
Bot for PAIN to scream like that - that's something.

Seriously, we should forget this black hole of idiocy ASAP.

[XSOLDIER]

(CHAPTER 501 SPOILERS)

Hidden Content:

I think that one of the things that we're learning a lot about in these chapters is how the environment INSIDE a seal works. We've seen that the Sharingan allow Madara & Sasuke to see inside the seal, where only Naruto is typically able to venture, thus allowing them to directly maniulate things within that environment (Sasuke blowing back Kyuubi's chakra, and Madara releasing him from Kushina's seal).

I think that Naruto understanding more about his seal, and how it was put together, as well as the events surrounding it's creation will help him, especially now when he's coming back up against those forces. I think that Naruto also knowing ANYthing additional about Madara is good for him for the same reasons.

I think that we'll really get to see what the capabilities of Kyuubi and Madara were when they attacked the villiage, and get a feel for how powerful they both are in the next chapters. 4 tails was fairly devastating when blowing through Orochimaru's barriers and such, and 6 tails' capability was still only up to 2/3 or Kyuubi's potential. 8 tails is really strong, but we don't really see it in scale with anything else, so it's tougher to measure, so this will be really neat. There might also be an explanation for why the current Madara has a "shadow of his former power" from what happens in his battle with the 4th.

I dunno, I've always been a fan of backstory arcs, and this is no exception.


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