Lan 100% Confirmed For Televised Korean Tournaments

[TheEconomist]

I dont get how your view of "superior genetic being to progress".

As I said, we humans are under social darwinism instead of evolution which means we compete with mostly ideas instead of genetics. The genetic differences between people are so incredibly low that they are only a minor influence in a person's success unless they have a serious problem such as bipolar, diabetes, or what not. However, there are still quite simply those who are born with more drive and ability than others. Almost everyone has a specific gift but that gift does not always translate into success. Since that's the cause of most of your post I'll ignore it but, for the rest, I couldn't care less what you think. I have the power of nature and the obvious achievements of America to support my claim. We are animals and will never be anymore. If your socialist or communist ideas were the best then the proof would be found in the pudding so to speak. The tired "they're all greedy" standpoint is the typical "comfortable animal" cop-out answer. Look at Bill Gates. Was he greedy and competitive? Sure. But, you cannot deny his innovation and influence. Just because a person is competitive does not mean they are greedy or didn't contribute. In fact, there are very few people who got rich simply from being greedy and cold-hearted while not contributing anything of value. It's a tired argument and it's one used by those who do not accept their role and instead run from it and seek to justify their choice.

As for your Britney Spears example, she works hard and her value is in the money she generates. She generates an exorbitant amount of money, therefore, she has value in that. It's the fault of the people that such a person with little inherent value can be so rich. That's a human error; not a natural error. A sport star has very little value in and of himself because he only throws or passes a ball in a game that has no effect in the real world. However, through him, the economy is stimulated greatly and people are given entertainment which alleviates the struggle of hardwork and makes life easier. His value is in these things; not because him throwing a ball actually helps anything. Likewise, a movie star has more advantages than just good looks. They are also hard-working, intelligent, and talented people. Sure, there's those who are only famous because they're handsome or pretty but that's a flaw in the human system; not the natural system. It's the left overs of when genetics was everything.

Bad example all around. Not just because of the inherent flaws but also because you're misinterpreting what I said. Stop thinking of my comments in terms of Capitalism vs Communism (which everyone took it as) and, instead, take it as man made laws vs natural laws. A lot of the problems you mentioned would be alleviated if people went back to the core desire to struggle. Instead, they chose comfort which leads to the greedy, heartless bastards and lazy, famous-for-their-looks type people. Kings of medieval times are the perfect example. It is normal for the animal to seek to be the alpha and to dominate those around him like a King would. it is, however, the fault of those around him for building a system which made it so that the King is able to do it and there's very little the people can do. Then there's also today's youth which must fabricate their own problems in their head because they are so overwhelmingly well taken care of.

You guys must've missed the part where I said that America and Capitalism as it is right now is far from perfect. I can't see any other reason why you would nitpick at it. Basically, I'm saying that a system by which man is to be governed must fit as closely with his nature as possible. It must allow him to achieve and succeed in the ways that his genetics tell him to. Otherwise, man is restricting him progress and dooming his happiness to the sand effect in that happiness has so very little value that even when he feels that it's in his grasp it slips through his fingers like sand. The good times are nothing without the bad. And, by good times I mean the times when are you successful with the bad times meaning that you are not. This is the natural way to motivate a creature to improve. The temporal world is under this law in that pure happiness is unachievable. Things that make us happy, like a drug, lose their potency because of the tolerance we build to them. Only the struggle I've mentioned can restore the potency of these things. Communism and socialism are the antithesis of this. Capitalism, in all of its problems, is the closest that man has gone to creating such a system and that's why it is obviously the best with the most credentials to its name. Let America, Japan, and the other capitalist nation's success speak for itself. The day socialism or communism can produce more innovation and inventions and be stronger economically per person, is the day I'll take the system seriously.

This guy!

So, all things being equal: you really don't want LAN? What's the reason for that?

Your opinion is that if one cannot afford luxury one does not deserve it. That those with less have so for a reason and should suffer while you enjoy opulence. You are elitist and I am disgusted.

I didn't see this before for some reason.

1) I said if they can't afford luxury they don't need to be wasting time on a video game. A video game is a luxury meant for those who can afford to waste time. If it causes that big of a problem when buying it then you need to be working. Now, in America, then yes. It is a the perfect example of capitalism. If you are poor and cannot afford the luxury of gaming then you either do not deserve it or have not yet earned it. If you're poor, go get a job, a degree, or career. Stop wasting your time with games. You have not earned it. Feeling differently about this is to expect someone else to do your job for you.
2) I do not enjoy opulence. Quite the contrary. I grew up poor and in the Miami Garden projects. In the top 3 of America in terms of crime, murder, and rape and, therefore, one of the highest in the world. I have never had a comfortable or opulent life. I'm just a strong willed person who has the drive to accept my role. Simple. I do not permit myself to degrade into a comfortable animal and that's why I will be a happy and well-rounded person until the day I die. Because of this, I have had a remarkable ability to withstand the trials and tribulations that "forced" my peers to resort to destructive habits. Many of them never recovered from these because it resulted in death, jail, or some other problem.
3) I am not elitist. I just know that nature has set things for a reason and that there are obvious consequences for ignoring your role that anyone with an open mind can be see. Those who cannot see it are simply too sympathetic to their own problem and cannot see the beauty in the day-to-day grind.

[Gradius]

On-Topic: Still sticking to my previous post :P

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In America, there's no excuse for being poor or lower-class. Your wealth is limited only by your ambition and intelligence. The poor are poor for a reason. I have no sympathy for them.

That's only true to a certain extent. My parents for example grew up under communism, were piss poor, yet worked their asses off to travel to America and build a life for themselves. Now they're doing awesome, and this so-called "recession" hasn't touched them one bit. This is different than someone who grew up in an area with shitty parents, bad influences, and might have been physically and emotionally abused by other people who grew up in the same crappy environment. You can not guarantee that you or Bill Gates himself would have risen out of that rut so easily if they were born into it.

[DemolitionSquid]

I grew up poor and in the Miami Garden projects. In the top 3 of America in terms of crime, murder, and rape and, therefore, one of the highest in the world.

The very fact that places like this exist in the richest country in the world is all the evidence I need to support my position that better dispersion of wealth is needed.

[n00bonicPlague]

Honestly I think at this point we need to concentrate our efforts on making Bnet2 the best it can be. The difficulties in successfully communicating with Blizzard in regards to the specifics of Bnet2 that we need can almost exclusively be considered a result of all of this signal interference from people still taking issue with the lack of LAN. It's like we're working as hard as we can to get Blizzard to listen while you guys are just standing around shouting as loud as you can, fooled into thinking that it phases Blizzard somehow, when in reality you are simply making it harder for us. Don't you understand? You are hurting the very community that we are trying to get Blizzard to help strengthen. There isn't going to be LAN, so please stop wasting your time, Blizzard's time, and — most especially — our time.

tl;dr YOU are why we can't have nice things!!!

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[TheEconomist]

The very fact that places like this exist in the richest country in the world is all the evidence I need to support my position that better dispersion of wealth is needed.

The poor in my area deserve the fate they've put on themselves. They are, in every sense of the word, inferior to those who are in a better situation. On the other hand, coming from such an environment can be good. Like I said, through the struggle a person is made stronger and progresses. There needs to be the tougher areas so that the system does not become stale due to comfort. I am an example of rising up due to focus and hard-work. When I say there's almost no excuse for being poor in America, I mean it and I say it not because of some unproven philsophy but instead because I have experiened it in my life first-hand. That is what I have done and that is why I have made it out and am able to enjoy such luxuries as video games. You're stepping far out of your bounds and rising too far above your comprehension. If I can speak so coldly about the very place I come from and my very family then there must be something to it. These people do not deserve to live as comfortably as I do because all they did was sell crack in school and kill each other. I suppose you're going to be like the activist leaders and say that that's because of capitalism

What you're talking about is taking away the accomplishments of the superior and giving it to the inferior because you do not want them to suffer under their own problems. You want to save them from their own actions. If a person murders then they should go to jail. If a person is lazy and unmotivated, they should not live like the motivated do. In other parts of the world, laziness and mediocrity is the status quo. That is why the world, as a whole, is weakening while mankind's greatest achievements are in the past. That is why countries such as your Canada has such very little achievements when compared to the capitalist countries. Why struggle to improve when you would get just as much by living in comfort and letting others work for you? Places like Miami Gardens exist because capitalism does not cater to the lazy or inferior. They are left to their own devices. They either succeed because of their own achievements or live pathetic lives because they are lazy. Again, what you want is for money to be taken from those who worked harder and smart and give it to these people who did not earn it. If you worked your ass off your whole life, would you want someone who did jack shit to live as well as you do?

Again, the proof is in the pudding.


@Gradius: You probably missed it so I'll put it here. I grew up in Miami Gardens. I grew up around drug dealers, murderers, and rapists. My cousin was killed October 15, 2008 due to gang violence. I am what I am because I thrived under pressure. If I can do it, no one else has an excuse , and, no, simply saying it took more work than they were willing to do is not a valid excuse.

Props to your parents, though.

[DemolitionSquid]

The poor in my area deserve the fate they've put on themselves. They are, in every sense of the word, inferior to those who are in a better situation. On the other hand, coming from such an environment can be good. Like I said, through the struggle a person is made stronger and progresses. That is what I have done and that is why I have made it out and am able to enjoy such luxuries as video games.

What you're talking about is taking away the accomplishments of the superior and giving it to the inferior because you do not want them to suffer under their own problems. That is why the world, as a whole, is weakening while mankind's greatest achievements are in the past. That is why countries such as your Canada has such very little achievements when compared to the capitalist countries. Why struggle to improve when you would get just as much by living in comfort and letting others work for you?

Again, the proof is in the pudding/

You're still thinking like an animal, one must be on top and crush all others. We've evolved beyond that. We have the ability for all to start in comfort and pursue their goals unhindered. You support a system where everyone starts at a different level, with many undeserving abusing what they start with, and many more struggling just to eat. A socialist dispersion of wealth advocates leveling the playing field. Where every child born is given the same standard of living and is free to succeed or fail from there. Those who have the will still be greeted with reward. And those who would never of had a chance through no fault of there own with your system would be able to rise for a change.

Canada has many achievements. We've produced great inventors and leaders. We've given much to the world, just as you have. Of course, we're better at recognizing there ARE another 6.5 billion people beyond our borders. Canada is a capitalist country. But we have socialist policies that lead to a better standard of living for all, like universal health care and other public services, which are utilized in every other country but yours.

[spychi]

@Tychus

I started working 3 years ago and before that I couldn't afford games from the small cash I got from my parents, now I make twice they do and you think I forgot about them? no, hell I wouldn't
when I started working and I saw how our trade union didn't give a fuck about production employees I joined them and started fighting for them, I was in a great position, no one asked me for that, yet I joined and right now I am the youngest and most ambitious vice-chairman of it in the whole SwedWood Company, in the past few months I went soo far above the ranks of people my age
I am used to fight for other people for a greater tomorrow that is why I am doing the same shit here
you guys are either thinking for your wallet or being unreasonable and there is no third option
sure I can afford games for even 100$+ every week, but I want them to be cheaper and better for one fucking reason:
other people can't afford it and they don't have the strenght/knowledge to fight such product selling policy

[TheEconomist]

We have the ability for all to start in comfort and pursue their goals unhindered.

That is uniformity which is terrible for progress and goes against the very basic of nature. There can be no uniformity in progress. If everyone came from the same background that would lead to staleness in the pool which is just as harmful as a small genetic pool. Ecosysystems with a small genetic pool do not survive and adapt in the same way others do. Likewise, If everyone lived in comfort then no one would be properly motivated. In America, if look at those who have achieved the most, they typically came from poorer or middle-class families. It's the rich who had everything that squandered the money and did very little with it. All I need to support this claim is to look at today's youth. They have more advantages than 99.9999999% of people born on the earth yet they achieve and feel as if they have less than every single one of them. Then look at Mexicans who grew up in Mexico. Mexicans are some of the hardest working people in the world. Why is that? Because they come from dirt poor circumstances which motivated them far beyond what a comfortable animal would have. It is a pathetic system and it's flaws are obvious. Again, you as a member of this system are sympathetic to this problem and seek to run away from what your body needs to do to experience fulfillment.

ou support a system where everyone starts at a different level, with many undeserving abusing what they start with, and many more struggling just to eat.

Yes, I do because I know that that is why I am such a motivated and driven person. I would be willing to bet you have more luxuries than I did and that is why you are so content to stay with what you began with and okay with the idea of being supported by others. I would sooner die than to think that someone had to work to support me. When you can show me that you came from less than me, I'll take your word seriously. Until then, my words have more weight because I am supporting this system which you claim works against me. But, I say to you, that it worked to make me better than I would be otherwise. The most disgusting thing I can think of would be for you to deny someone else this simple pleasure.

we have socialist policies that lead to a better standard of living for all, like universal health care and other public services, which are utilized in every other country but yours.

And that is why America is still the greatest nation in the world despite all of the support we've given to other nations to bring them up. Again, good sir, the proof is in the pudding. When Canada or some other socialist nation surpasses America, I'll give to shits about the philosophy. Until then, you're all just the comfortable animals I spoke of before and are content to mediocrity and a world where no one has to feel inferior just because they contribute less or are lazy.

@spychi: It's hard to understand what you're saying, but, again, I'll say: if they cannot afford it then they have no yet earned it. As a kid, I had one busted up SNES and Genesis and one game each. Super Mario World and Sonic 3. Those are all of the games I had as a child. Just because someone else can afford it does not mean I deserve it. I was a supported by my parents and had no right to complain that I did not have more games. Likewise, a person who cannot afforde games or internet does not deserve to complain because, in this day and age, it's obviously because they are lazy and wasting their time or simply have no earned it yet. To put it simply: one does not deserve a nice car if one has not yet worked hard to get it.

[spychi]

@Tychus
what I mean is that you need to think for the little ones that can't afford games that have features monetized
not saying bout lan specificly, because there is a half of me which thinks that the professional edition is just the begining of a pay4network features policy from Blizzard

Some games are cheaper, who has the right to make the product more expensive than it should be? only greedy and selfish people
right now StarCraft 2 is worth half of it's price or max 3/4 of the price

[DemolitionSquid]

That is uniformity which is terrible for progress and goes against the very basic of nature. There can be no uniformity in progress. If everyone came from the same background that would lead to staleness in the pool which is just as harmful as a small genetic pool. Ecosysystems with a small genetic pool do not survive and adapt in the same way others do. Likewise, If everyone lived in comfort then no one would be properly motivated. In America, if look at those who have achieved the most, they typically came from poorer or middle-class families. It's the rich who had everything that squandered the money and did very little with it. All I need to support this claim is to look at today's youth. They have more advantages than 99.9999999% of people born on the earth yet they achieve and feel as if they have less than every single one of them. It is a pathetic system and it's flaws are obvious. Again, you as a member of this system are sympathetic to this problem and seek to run away from what your body needs to do to experience fulfillment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%...archy_of_needs

We have the ability for everyone to start with the first two levels of that pyramid. There's still a lot of room for everyone to grow, with many more needs to fulfill. I'm advocating everyone have the first two levels. That's all.

Yes, I do because I know that that is why I am such a motivated and driven person. I would be willing to bet you have more luxuries than I did and that is why you are so content to stay with what you began with and okay with the idea of being supported by others. I would sooner die than to think that someone had to work to support me.

There's nothing wrong with striving for more. But there's no need to step on others to do so. Not in this day. Its not about someone supporting you, or you supporting them. Its about everyone supporting each other. That's what community and society mean.

And that is why America is still the greatest nation in the world despite all of the support we've given to other nations to bring them up. Again, good sir, the proof is in the pudding. When Canada or some other socialist nation surpasses America, I'll give to shits about the philosophy. Until then, you're all just the comfortable animals I spoke of before and are content to mediocrity and a world where no one has to feel less just because they contribute less or are lazy.

You define great simply as rich. But no one else considers greatness to be a side effect of wealth. Everyone who has ever been great earned that title with the opposite of what you strive for. Greatness has always been acheived through empathy for his fellow man and the ability to lead with respect.

That you can't see the hypocrisy and stupidity in saying "it's the rich who had everything that squandered the money and did very little with it" when you are the rich amuses me greatly.