Lan 100% Confirmed For Televised Korean Tournaments

[TheEconomist]

I don't even know why people like Tychus or Dauntless are trying to convince anybody.

I don't really know why either. I've stayed away from the QQ for months now but I guess I just now decided to dive in now that I'm seeing all of this anti-capitalist hypocrisy

It's quite draining and I can't think of a more pointless way to waste my weekend of studying before final exam. I doubt I'll continue this much further.

[protoswarrior]

OFF TOPIC:
Just a passing comment: The US govt is not liked by many other countries in the 3rd world because of a history of pre-Bush political/military decisions that were wrong, illegal and unfair to the rest of the world. It is hilarious how a country like India was "trade-sanctioned" for being considered inferior in quality with the "buy American" bullshit. Indian products on a grand scale are much better in quality alongside the Chinese. India was a self-sustained economy for nearly 10 years without needing the world because of trade decisions and -ve propaganda on Indian products made by the US. And now that Indians have opened up trade and accepted "out-sourcing" from the US corporations, suddenly India is great? The people aren't as stupid as the US tends to portray them. It is a typical example of american ignorance that comes to bite them in the ass. Same thing with the US trying to get India to give up it's nuclear power. And the Indian govt clearly said that once the US gives up its nuclear weapons, India will happily do so. Otherwise they need to mind their own business.
There are a lot of examples of poor decision-making and blatant bullshitting in the US foreign policy that has wronged a lot of developing countries.

"There is a reason behind the madness" is what I'm saying.


ON TOPIC:

I completely agree with Tychus on the LAN issue. It is not something meant for the average joe. A small minority of the community used LAN in SC BW, and it is that small minority that will intend to use it in SC2. Blizzard is not scheming to pull money out of the pockets of the average joe.

SlickR, if you organized LAN parties on a regular basis at your house then, there is no harm in using the bnet2.0 infrastructure, pending its revamping (as it clearly needs the missing features atm). If you were organizing a large LAN tournament like the HDH with a sponsor and entry-fee ticket, that you'd broadcast, then you'd need the professional version which WILL have LAN in N. America as well.

You'd need to pay for that as you are going to be making money from the sponsors and the people being invited to attend the even live. It is Blizzard's product, not yours. They want a cut from any commercial usage of their product which is what you're doing by entertaining thousands of people.

The Korean tournaments were ripping off the revenue of Blizzard by illegally holding all these tournaments for years without returning a single penny to the company whose game they were commercializing.

Blizzard has every right to prevent LAN from being in the regular version to prevent lost revenue from large tournaments being held with their Intellectual Property.

SlickR, if you owned your own corporation, you'd understand the need for this revenue. Corporations aren't the govt. You don't pay them taxes. Their revenue is equal to the salaries of their workers + all developmental costs associated with making the games they do (including electric bills, building rentals, govt taxes (highest tax bracket btw) and other expenses), and a profit is necessary in order to enable the company to stay competitive in the market through innovation and provision of better quality products for the future; eventually they need to expand and be able to raise capital from shareholders and banks, and be able to repay them at the end of the day. Profit is the lifeblood of a company. The average joe does not have the scale of responsibility that a corp has. Your grocery store has to make a profit at the end of the day, or else, you as a consumer don't GET groceries. Simple.

Blizzard isn't ripping off anyone. They're providing people they employ with job security and us consumers with our products. If you really don't like them, you as a consumer, SlickR are not obliged to Blizzard in any form or shape. Don't buy SC2 if you don't like it. Don't demonize Blizzard at the same time that you criticize their product.

That's both wrong and stupid.

[mikill]

I think all this fighting is quite negative. Some people should think about what they are saying and read all the posts to understand what is said. In regards to LAN I believe it should be included in the game but I don't understand why you guys are ripping heads off if someone doesn't believe in what you say. LAN was even included in the original Demo of Starcraft 1! LAN is often used in large tournaments but it is also used in small parties as well like at my dorm at the university. We all have legal copies of BW on our own computers. I think this will hurt us because we will have to share 3 internet connections (2 people per dorm, 3 dorms). We used LAN for the purpose of reducing lag and to prevent friends from joining around the campus and slowing the game down. The big reason that we used LAN was all the problems with sharing a connection over b.net. So let me ask you, is not including LAN fair to the guys and I that play in the same building?

[mikill]

I think all this fighting is quite negative. Some people should think about what they are saying and read all the posts to understand what is said. In regards to LAN I believe it should be included in the game but I don't understand why you guys are ripping heads off if someone doesn't believe in what you say. LAN was even included in the original Demo of Starcraft 1! LAN is often used in large tournaments but it is also used in small parties as well like at my dorm at the university. We all have legal copies of BW on our own computers. I think this will hurt us because we will have to share 3 internet connections (2 people per dorm, 3 dorms). We used LAN for the purpose of reducing lag and to prevent friends from joining around the campus and slowing the game down. The big reason that we used LAN was all the problems with sharing a connection over b.net. So let me ask you, is not including LAN fair to the guys and I that play in the same building?

[TheEconomist]

So let me ask you, is not including LAN fair to the guys and I that play in the same building?

Get internet. It's gotten to the point where not having internet is like not having an air-conditioner. Don't complain if you're hot just because you don't have an AC. LAN will be in StarCraft 2 one way or the other. It's incredibly rude to come into a conversation half way through, having not read most of it, and then reopening old debates that were closed. We're trying to resolve issues; not repeat them for eternity.

As for the above India something something. Of course there's other reasons. I never said America was perfect pre-Bush. I only said that hate for America has grown ten fold since Bush and that's where most of the problems come from. There's no denying though that recently developed countries such as China, Japan, and India owe their success to America. They didn't get the short end on anything. We made them much more powerful countries and without America they would've been far lesser. India was nothing before we built them up and we made Japan one of the top countries in the world by rebuilding them after WW2 and giving them capitalism. The UN's help lead by America reformed China into a country that actually has an economic importance. We did this for a communist country that will, in the end, probably attempt to destroy us for helping them.

I know there's no beta but that doesn't mean we need to get so off-topic. This must stop.

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[DemolitionSquid]

I don't really know why either. I've stayed away from the QQ for months now but I guess I just now decided to dive in now that I'm seeing all of this anti-capitalist hypocrisy

It's quite draining and I can't think of a more pointless way to waste my weekend of studying before final exam. I doubt I'll continue this much further.

Capitalism is a sick farce. 1% of the population having 99% of the wealth is not the right way. Lets just please leave it out of this discussion.

[mikill]

Get internet. It's gotten to the point where not having internet is like not having an air-conditioner. Don't complain if you're hot just because you don't have an AC. LAN will be in StarCraft 2 one way or the other.

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Did you not read my post?

LAN is often used in large tournaments but it is also used in small parties as well like at my dorm at the university. We all have legal copies of BW on our own computers. I think this will hurt us because we will have to share 3 internet connections (2 people per dorm, 3 dorms).

I have internet, maybe you should read posts more clearly. I am in a dorm, do you understand what a dorm room is? A dorm is a room you share with another person when you go to college or university. Dorms have internet in every room the problem though is that we share the same connection. In short it likes to freeze during gmes when we are both using the connection. Think about when 3 dorm rooms filled with 2 guys each playing starcraft 2 over the internet is going to be?

It's incredibly rude to come into a conversation half way through, having not read most of it, and then reopening old debates that were closed. We're trying to resolve issues; not repeat them for eternity.

It's a little hard to do so when the topic is just over 2 days old and has over 100 replies.

[TheEconomist]

Capitalism is a sick farce. 1% of the population having 99% of the wealth is not the right way. Lets just please leave it out of this discussion.

Survival of the fit. You are a biological machine put here to struggle and evolve so that you can either thrive or die. We, as members of this system, are sympathetic to our own plight so we seek to deny this simple truth by interfering with the system. It is no longer thrive or die; it is thrive or live in subsistence. In America, there's no excuse for being poor or lower-class. Your wealth is limited only by your ambition and intelligence. The poor are poor for a reason. I have no sympathy for them. Plus, the capitalist system motivates the superior, innovative, and progressive beings to progress. Communism, socialism, and all of that other nonsense is counter to the basics of our existence and a direct blasphemy to the natural laws of the universe. America, Japan, and other capitalist nations are the most wealthy, most influential, and most progressive of the nations for a reason. It is the best system that isn't a complete desecration to the way of temporal existence.

That being said, %1 having 99% of wealth is a gross exaggeration. The highest estimate I've heard is the top 5% having 85%. But, again, I say that is the way it should be. If we were to interfere with nature, allowing the weaker genetics to continue to survive, it would dilute the best and the species and system overall would be greatly weakened. The only difference between humanity during the beginning and now is that we're now under a system of social darwinism instead of evolution. Do you appreciate the inventions of computers, cars, wheel, fire, and what not? Then look at the system as if you were not just another biological entity and look at why this law is the law of nature.

In short, if you don't like capitalism, you should also disapprove of the progress it has brought. You must then also hate Blizzard, the computer you are using, the car you are driving, and the wealth that has been brought to you from capitalism.

@mikill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWYd-pkukXQ

Yes, I know you have internet. I don't think there's a dorm or university in America that doesn't have internet. I'm saying that I have no sympathy for the problem. I don't care about your dorm or the people. That's irrelevant. You cannot complain about luxuries; only basic needs. The problem is that you live in a dorm and are too impatient to wait for a LAN crack. That is not worth Blizzard opening themselves up for a lifetime of ass rape (again) through royalty and legal version work arounds. Besides, you could always just, you know, NOT wear down your neighbor's connection with StarCraft 2.

As for "2 days and 100 posts", that's false. This debate is the same debate we've have for months to years. If you're talking about LAN, it's close to a year. It's your talking about Activision Blizzard, that's two or more years. I can go on and on.

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[DemolitionSquid]

I DO disapprove of all of it. But my choices are limited to imprisonment from spouting socialist propaganda or just surviving this stupid system you've wrought best I can.

On topic: he wasn't looking for your sympathy. He was looking for understanding. Which you clearly lack.

[TheEconomist]

I DO disapprove of all of it.

I do not know to what extent you imply of this but if it's as much as I can infer then you surely will never be a complete or happy individual. Joy is brought through participating in the system that you are biological designed to perform best under and find fulfillment in. The system of nature and, to a certain degree, capitalism are the most complete in effecting the conversions of serotonin, dopamine, endorphins, epinephrine and norepiphren.

You are nothing more than a higher thinking animal and, in the end, you have no choice but to participate in this system. Or you'll doom yourself to a meager subsistence. Or, in other words, no longer struggle and progress thus destroying the balance of chemicals in your brain set up to give you the drive to succeed in this system. There's a reason that ancient people's were much happier than we are even though they were under far more disadvantageous circumstances. There's a reason the ones that have the most emotional problems are those who have a life of comfort and ease.

As for understanding, I have it in spades. I understood completely what he was saying. Just because you're arguing over my points on any entirely different level doesn't mean I was off base. You're just looking at simplistic base of it. I'm saying that internet is a luxury like an AC. You cannot complain if it doesn't work. Just like you cannot complain if your internet is bogged down by others. In his case, he would be better off just not bogging down the internet until he gets out of the dorm. He needs to focus on school anyways.

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