Who here has gone back to B.Net 1 ?

[protoswarrior]

I just played an Iccup game - D level and freaking hell, it's harddd!! lol!

I had so much money piled up and sometimes I had 3 probes sitting after being rallied since I "forgot" to put them to mine ! But I managed to destroy the zerg who (curiously) did not FE while I 1-base sair/templar'd. Had 4zeals 3 DT 3 HT 2 goons and 1 sair (the other died to scourge) and pwned his expo that he got up at the same time I did mine.

But, I realized how much I sucked more in BW than in SC2 lol. I'm top gold level in SC2, in ICCUP I am doomed to D/D- lol

[bigmiddy]

I had so much money piled up and sometimes I had 3 probes sitting after being rallied since I "forgot" to put them to mine !

As much as SC1 has great lore, this is my pain too

[Drake Clawfang]

Playing BW recently made me realize that SCBW is still better by a long shot, even with shitty graphics/AI/UI/etc

It feels like a beautiful old puzzle that you know really well and at the same time, it still gives you a run for your money.

SC2 is inferior and it shows.

Even my brother, who played SC2 first and never played SCBW as a kid is really enjoying it (he says even more than SC2). Its not just the prejudice of fanboys that labels SCBW a superior game.

Could you elaborate please?

[Hammy]

I played Starcraft 1 again. I couldn't believe how shitty that game is:

You can't que buildings.
Refineries don't snap to geysers (pretty annoying actually, I was 1 block off and kept clicking)
Money isn't deduced when you plant it, only when you start building the building. I've done it so many times where I plant a bunch of buldings and only a few start because I'm missing 4 or 6 minerals due to other buildings starting first or buying units.
Mech factory is 200/150!!!
Protoss Cybernetics is 200!
Graphics are an eye sore.
Joining games are hit or miss, netcode is utter BS compared to B.net 2.0
Pathfinding is pretty atrocious although I do like the formation move a bit better.
Sound is the only redeeming aspect of SC1 now.

You're calling what's probably the greatest RTS of all times shitty.
Half of the things you bring up are only issues because of your inability to adapt or your desire for things to be "easy", but everyone has to play by the same rules so how is that a problem?
Another part of what you say is just the building costs, which are irrelevant since the game is perfectly balanced.
Finally, the game graphics are outdated. Yes that's a fact. I still think they look splendid. If I wanted graphics over gameplay I'd watch a movie, but that's just me.

I think it's very ignorant to call SC:BW shitty just because you want things done for you. It's a different game.

If what you meant to say is that it's a bit confusing at first, because your SC2 habits have already sunk in, then yeah I agree.
I still love playing BW, and I even played a few games with friends while SC2 beta was still up. It's not even a game I play by nostalgia. I really think it's amazing.

[TheEconomist]

It doesn't matter how unbelievably great StarCraft 2 is. I will ALWAYS still come back to StarCaft: Brood War.

[Pandonetho]

SC BW is undoubtedly one of the greatest games of all time, but I find myself agreeing woth most of Wankey's points. Although for a different reason probably. I only agree with them because SC2 spoiled me, and now I love it way too much to go back to the archaic mechanics of SC1. That said, those mechanics don't in any way detract from the actual quality of the game's balance and design.

[Wankey]

You're calling what's probably the greatest RTS of all times shitty.
Half of the things you bring up are only issues because of your inability to adapt or your desire for things to be "easy", but everyone has to play by the same rules so how is that a problem?
Another part of what you say is just the building costs, which are irrelevant since the game is perfectly balanced.
Finally, the game graphics are outdated. Yes that's a fact. I still think they look splendid. If I wanted graphics over gameplay I'd watch a movie, but that's just me.

I think it's very ignorant to call SC:BW shitty just because you want things done for you. It's a different game.

If what you meant to say is that it's a bit confusing at first, because your SC2 habits have already sunk in, then yeah I agree.
I still love playing BW, and I even played a few games with friends while SC2 beta was still up. It's not even a game I play by nostalgia. I really think it's amazing.

Blah blah blah blah blah. 10 year old game, poor graphics, aging UI, overrated by the community.

I think you're overrating it bit quite a bit. Going back to SC1 is like going back to Windows 3.1. The only thing redeeming about SC1 is its well done game design and racial design. Other than that the rest of the game have aged far too much for SC1 to be comparable to modern games.

I think mainly is because you've played this game for the past 10 years continuously. I've only played Starcraft on and off at random times. I was never really into the whole starcraft allure (I was more interested in Age of Empires until they ruined it with AoE3) If you've played a slew of other RTSes like company of heroes, Dawn of War, Supreme COmmander etc etc. Starcraft feels incredibly aging. All of those RTSes have adequate balancing schemes for pro gaming (TheLittleOne came from Supreme Commander fame btw, back then we used to play together on GPGnet, he was TheBigOne and I never thought he was going to be well known in SC2)

Sure SC1 has good qualities but is far surpassed by SC2. Racial design wise, even more so by updating the racial diversity. I don't think the racial design will be completely understood until the release of Heart of the Swarm (Just like Broodwar did to original SC1) but we're in for a long run of great gaming

[Fatmonkey]

I went back and played SC1 after the beta close down, and it was very hard to get back into my old play style. On another note, SCBW is still a great game. I can play it for hours and enjoy every minute of it!

[Hammy]

Blah blah blah blah blah. 10 year old game, poor graphics, aging UI, overrated by the community.

I think you're overrating it bit quite a bit. Going back to SC1 is like going back to Windows 3.1. The only thing redeeming about SC1 is its well done game design and racial design. Other than that the rest of the game have aged far too much for SC1 to be comparable to modern games.

I think mainly is because you've played this game for the past 10 years continuously. I've only played Starcraft on and off at random times. I was never really into the whole starcraft allure (I was more interested in Age of Empires until they ruined it with AoE3) If you've played a slew of other RTSes like company of heroes, Dawn of War, Supreme COmmander etc etc. Starcraft feels incredibly aging. All of those RTSes have adequate balancing schemes for pro gaming (TheLittleOne came from Supreme Commander fame btw, back then we used to play together on GPGnet, he was TheBigOne and I never thought he was going to be well known in SC2)

Sure SC1 has good qualities but is far surpassed by SC2. Racial design wise, even more so by updating the racial diversity. I don't think the racial design will be completely understood until the release of Heart of the Swarm (Just like Broodwar did to original SC1) but we're in for a long run of great gaming

There's nothing overrated about SC:BW. I've played a bunch of other video games, some pretty seriously, and their depth doesn't compare to SC:BW. I suspect you underestimate that depth in favor of other aspects.
Your first argument was "poor graphics", which says a lot about what you look for in a game. I'm not saying your standards are bad, but simply that they over-evaluate the shiny surface compared to the actual gaming experience. Either you want to play the new games that are fun for a while, or you want to enter the awesome competitive aspect of games, which requires more depth than most games can offer. You don't have to be a top player to understand what makes a game like SC:BW (and SC2, in a different way) amazing, but playing it at a D- level isn't enough unless you're really following and analyzing the proscene.
Games like Crysis are catered to people who look for shiny games, and it works. Whatever rocks your boat, but there are older, uglier, and yet waaay better FPSs than Crysis.

You're right that I idealize BW a bit, and that perhaps the UI shortcommings would bother me more if I hadn't been playing for so long, but I adapt pretty quickly to most game's UI anyways. As long as a games UI is coherent, it's all good. Everyone has to use the same UI, so it doesn't give any advantage. Just make the best of it, and if you're not the worse player you'll win.

Btw, TheBigOne is not TheLittleOne... TLO did play supreme commander a lot, but they are not the same person. I believe they're brothers, but I don't really care to check that.

I'm not saying that SC:BW is better than SC2, but imo, there's no way anyone who sees SC:BW for what it really is would say that it isn't an amazing game.

[Maul]

It is true that it feels a bit odd going from SC2 back to SC1 but it doesn't take long to readapt and while SC1 does lack features SC2 brings to the table it doesn't change the fact that it's still a great game. It's not really fair to compare the features of games 11 years apart though.