SC:L Article - Battle.net 2.0 Concerns

[ArcherofAiur]

So you're saying that plans change. Right.

I think you've entirely missed the gist of my post. I'm saying that BECAUSE PLANS CAN CHANGE, and because they cannot give you chat channels right away, they only thing they can do is get you to trust that these plans will not change.

Or they can you know actually do it.

How about that?

[Gifted]

Just a quick note on plans.

June 7th


June 10th

As a little note Archer, I don't see the quote that you place on June 7th. Granted, it may be out there and I can't see it. The only quote I can find for him is:

Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...9#251680597449

Please also keep in mind that these forums will remain live during the downtime and that your behavior will impact your ability to continue posting now, into phase two, and the future.

Please also keep in mind that these forums will remain live during the downtime and that your behavior will impact your ability to continue posting now, into phase two, and the future.

If these are the quotes you are pulling information from (they were on the 7th) then I read them differently and see nothing wrong. It may be implied that they were to remain open during the entire downtime... but he never directly states that. In fact, if you think about it, his quotes are correct, the forums have been open during the downtime and did not go down when StarCraft II Beta took a haitus on the 7th. Common sense is that if they are going to install new hardware, this would be a neccessary step that would happen earlier... But then again, I can easily agree that the general population of gamers wouldn't think about that overall. They'd rather be told/communicated to. *nods*

Not saying that the message is that much different, but if there is another blue post I didn't catch, please link the source here, you are usually spot on about that.

[ArcherofAiur]

but he never directly states that.

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...00&pageNo=1#15

We don't have any plans to take down the beta forums during the downtime.
-Bashiok

[Gifted]

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...00&pageNo=1#15

kk, this is the problem with partial quotes, you missed out

As a little note Archer, I don't see the quote that you place on June 7th. Granted, it may be out there and I can't see it.
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If these are the quotes you are pulling information from (they were on the 7th).

Thanks for sourcing, the quotes I was referencing weren't the ones you were talking about. Carry on

[newcomplex]

Or they can you know actually do it.

How about that?

There is no way they could implement any sort of progressive, bug free, blizzard quality chat system before launch in 49 days considering the level of development was still in concepting/design.

It isn't realistic.


also before you suggestion delaying the game...


hai remember WoW?

WoW has been in a perpetual payed beta test for the past six years. Because guess what, it isn't a static experience.

Remember the SC1 beta? Remember how the basically took out units and rereleased them in an expansion pack six months later because they needed to meet deadlines?

Remember Diablo 2 b-net? Specifically, what worked about that? The answer to that is absolutely nothing. And remember how Diablo 2 was delayed a year and because of these two factors they shut down Blizzard north?

Right now, Single Player is done. Multiplayer is done. The only thing that isn't done is features in a dynamically evolving multiplayer platform. Very important features. Certainly. But it would be ridiculous to delay the game further because of them. I could guarantee you thats not even what players want. You could start a poll right here in SClegacy and most people wouldn't support a significant delay.

You seem to be willing to sacrifice consumer satisfaction based on some superficial constructions of quality you've created for Blizzard that are only marginally based on reality. Thats just as insular as the level of thought blizzard producers displayed going into this whole thing.

[ArcherofAiur]

There is no way they could implement any sort of progressive, bug free, blizzard quality chat system before launch in 49 days considering the level of development was still in concepting/design.

It isn't realistic.


also before you suggestion delaying the game...


hai remember WoW?

WoW has been in a perpetual payed beta test for the past six years. Because guess what, it isn't a static experience.

Remember the SC1 beta? Remember how the basically took out units and rereleased them in an expansion pack six months later because they needed to meet deadlines?

Remember Diablo 2 b-net? Specifically, what worked about that? The answer to that is absolutely nothing. And remember how Diablo 2 was delayed a year and because of these two factors they shut down Blizzard north?

Right now, Single Player is done. Multiplayer is done. The only thing that isn't done is features in a dynamically evolving multiplayer platform. Very important features. Certainly. But it would be ridiculous to delay the game further because of them. I could guarantee you thats not even what players want. You could start a poll right here in SClegacy and most people wouldn't support a significant delay.

You seem to be willing to sacrifice consumer satisfaction based on some superficial constructions of quality you've created for Blizzard that are only marginally based on reality. Thats just as insular as the level of thought blizzard producers displayed going into this whole thing.

First of all before this goes any further. Blizzard should have started work on all of this YEARS AGO WHEN THE COMMUNITY STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!

[newcomplex]

First of all before this goes any further. Blizzard should have started work on all of this YEARS AGO WHEN THE COMMUNITY STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!

I totally agree. But thats a mistake thats already been made.

So as I said:

"Thus, thats why dialogue takes precedence over response. To sort of rebuild trust and to open communications so you trust this thing doesn't happen again. And more importantly, so it doesn't happen again."

[ArcherofAiur]

I totally agree. But thats a mistake thats already been made.

So as I said:

"Thus, thats why dialogue takes precedence over response. To sort of rebuild trust and to open communications so you trust this thing doesn't happen again. And more importantly, so it doesn't happen again."

Enough battered housewife syndrome please. Blizzard messed up. They have a huge problem on their hands. A problem not only of a major product about to launch but of consumer confidence in general. Every day that goes by more and more people become disillusioned to the belief that Blizzard really does listen to them. That trust so carefully and painstakingly built over a decade is now gushing out and threatening the entire community.



Like our BP friends in the gulf coast, Blizzard needs to fix this.

Now.

[newcomplex]

Enough battered housewife syndrome please.

So you're suggestion is to boycott? I don't get it. You're free to leave at any time.

I was under the impression you were still here because you thought blizzard could change and because you didn't subscribe to idiotic viewpoints like blizzard IS TEH EVUL. If you don't, then your free to leave.

I'm here providing suggestions. Offering feedback. And evaluating what blizzard reciprocates. I remain skeptical. But right now, the fact of the matter is Blizzard isn't perfect, it has never been perfect.

I think your issue here is you've idealized blizzard into some perfect game developer and a unified entity that was previously incapable of doing wrong until it became "the man". Thats a rather oversimplified and naive view of the issue.

Blizzard has made countless fuckups over the decades. But in general, the amount of fucksup and the their response to fuckups have been a step above other game developers.

I'm not even going to go into the validity of the actual metaphor, its so fucking stupid on so many levels I don't even know where to start lol.

Blizzard messed up. They have a huge problem on their hands. A problem not only of a major product about to launch but of consumer confidence in general. Every day that goes by more and more people become disillusioned to the belief that Blizzard really does listen to them. That trust so carefully and painstakingly built over a decade is now gushing out and threatening the entire community.



Like our BP friends in the gulf coast, Blizzard needs to fix this.

Now.

lol. No shit? I don't get it though. I've already explained this. What do you want blizzard to do? Delay SC2? Somehow magic up chat channels in a 49 days? Make buggy chat channels in 49 days without magic and release a buggy product?

If you have feedback on Blizzards course of action, feel free to post it. I have. Gifted has. And honestly, I feel like Blizzard has listened to it based on that post alone lol. If you have something constructive to say, feel free to say it. But right now you haven't said anything particularly constructive.

[ArcherofAiur]

So you're suggestion is to boycott?

What?


Oh and as far as me having "idealized blizzard" lord knows i have never been critical of Blizzard before

lol. No shit? I don't get it though. I've already explained this. What do you want blizzard to do? Delay SC2? Somehow magic up chat channels in a 49 days? Make buggy chat channels in 49 days without magic and release a buggy product?

Lets see in 49 days even BP managed to correct half their problem, to use that stupid lil analogy.