Female Marauder

[Nicol Bolas]

every single unit in the game

Except for the SCV, Vulture, and arguably Raynor.

And the game is what is important. As far as the game is concerned, the vast majority of people we see are stereotypical rednecks. That various other writers don't properly depict this is irrelevant next to the fact that the world as presented by the game seems to be dominated by rednecks.

[Pandonetho]

Except for the SCV, Vulture, and arguably Raynor.

The vulture isn't a redneck. Do you even know what a redneck is? And no, Raynor isn't a redneck.

And the game is what is important.

Exactly, I just don't see how you can be so blind about it.

As far as the game is concerned, the vast majority of people we see are stereotypical rednecks. That various other writers don't properly depict this is irrelevant next to the fact that the world as presented by the game seems to be dominated by rednecks.

Um, like Edmund Duke? Good job that's 1 character.

[Nicol Bolas]

The vulture isn't a redneck. Do you even know what a redneck is? And no, Raynor isn't a redneck.

There are many kinds of rednecks. Not all of them are the stereotypical "Cletus-from-Simpsons" style. And the Vulture does fall into this category.

Um, like Edmund Duke? Good job that's 1 character.

You also must add all of the Terrans in every cutscene. That's a good 10+ characters. Oh that's right, I forgot. They don't count because counting them would damage your case.

[Pandonetho]

A good 10+ characters my ass. Name them all then.

The vulture fits the stereotypical gangster badass. You're just an idiot.

Let's see, I'll give you the moronic marine from the Amerigo cinematic, and then there's those 2 from the Starcraft 1 intro, and then there's Lester and Sarge and the outpost guy that got pwned.

That's 6, including Edmund duke is 7.

Now let's count everyone who isn't a redneck in the cinematics. There's Gerard Dugalle, Stukov, Mr. Malmsteen, the marine from the BW intro, the second marine from the BW intro, the Sarge from The Ambush, the other marines from the Amerigo, and everyone from the ending cinatic The Inauguration. There's all the marines, Nova, the sarge and the lieutenant from the MUCH more recent SC: Ghost trailer, and then there's Tychus Findlay from SC2.

Oh look, there are easily more people who aren't rednecks than there are. You're truly a silly man if the statement "rednecks in space" means less than 1% of the Terran population consisting of Rednecks to you.

And I highly doubt we'll see a single redneck in any cinematic for SC2.

You don't have a case. All you have are a couple of outdated cinematics that aren't even accurate to the SC universe. I have pretty much all the current lore standing for my case and none of the new stories have shown a single redneck.

Except for the utmost recent stories which I haven't read yet, maybe Kimera might like to point out if there are rednecks in the SC: Comic?

[mr. peasant]

The vulture fits the stereotypical gangster badass. You're just an idiot.

Actually, the Vulture was more of a biker; who can also be categorized as a redneck.

Now let's count everyone who isn't a redneck in the cinematics. There's Gerard Dugalle, Stukov, Mr. Malmsteen, the marine from the BW intro, the second marine from the BW intro, the Sarge from The Ambush, the other marines from the Amerigo, and everyone from the ending cinatic The Inauguration. There's all the marines, Nova, the sarge and the lieutenant from the MUCH more recent SC: Ghost trailer, and then there's Tychus Findlay from SC2.

Wow, congratulations on the three highlighted. They're not Terrans! They're UED. Also, the Sarge from the Ambush was a redneck, as was the sentry in that cinematic. The same goes for a few of the Marines in the Amerigo cinematic.

You don't have a case. All you have are a couple of outdated cinematics that aren't even accurate to the SC universe. I have pretty much all the current lore standing for my case and none of the new stories have shown a single redneck.

Our case rests on the word of God, which in this case form a united opinion that people have embraced. This is backed up by evidence within the game that you continue to ignore.

I don't know what your defintion of redneck is, but one from Wikipedia describes it as a person, often Caucasian, of lower socio-economic status and typically, though not exclusively, from the Southern United States. They are generally seen as uneducated and/or ignorant but resourceful enough to outwit others. Rednecks are often stereotypically depicted as beer-guzzling, gun-loving smokers and are usually associated with the Confederate flag along with a love for vulgar language (reference: here). In my opinion, a lot of Terran (not UED humans) fall into this category.

[Aldrius]

she isn't bad looking since she is kinda old. but she is def sleak, sneaky and flexible.

She's also tough as nails, fights using a fighting style that's very similar to Judo (all grabs and holds), and I don't get 'feminine'. She looks like Cate Blanchett and is realistically muscular for a woman. (i.e. not a body-builder, but athletic) She's certainly not 'pretty' or 'dainty'. And she's not 'flexible' (what do you even mean by that?)

Same goes for Big Mama and Olga in the same series.

None of them are ugly, but they don't have to be ugly to be physically powerful. And being attractive doesn't automatically make somebody 'sexy'.

kerrigan is def super feminine. she is sleak, flexible, sneaky and trying to be made increasingly sexy.

And yeah, I wouldn't call Kerrigan 'feminine' either. But that also depends on the artists interpretation. Metzen's drawings of Kerrigan for example are much less curvaceous, and I mean if you look at the cover of "Uprising" you can hardly tell that's a woman.

SC2-art-wise, though... hmm... I wouldn't say she's looked particularly feminine. With the wings and the body-armor and all.

you gotta look at things in terms of ratios man. how many men are on the frontlines infantry in most country's armies compared to women.

Why does that matter in a fictional universe set hundreds of years in the future...?

This is art. Art should reflect some semblance reality and the artists' imagination, and the reality is that there are women in the military and armed forces. And the reality is that women are a major part of human society and always have been.

again...people expect starcraft 2 to somehow break the social barriers society has created to reflect our society instead of what human universal society has always been like. men soldiers outnumber women soldiers probably with a higher ratio than like 10:1. this is why they are specialized.

That's not why they're specialized. They're specialized because it's 'safe'. In the media and art it's 'okay' for women to play the roles of mothers or healers or to be sexy assassins in skin-tight latex. Nobody takes issue with that. It's not reflecting reality or whatever, it's just what the public at large is okay with and it's that's what Blizzard is reflecting.

And I really don't expect Blizzard to break social barriers, but I expect them to break a few artistic barriers in video games, and what roles women are allowed to play, and quite frankly if the Banshee for example, is no longer female, then they're just going backwards, not forwards.

[Pandonetho]

Wow, congratulations on the three highlighted. They're not Terrans! They're UED. Also, the Sarge from the Ambush was a redneck, as was the sentry in that cinematic. The same goes for a few of the Marines in the Amerigo cinematic.

Terrans means humans from Earth, are you saying they're not humans that came from Earth? Good job, you just classified people from Earth, and Terrans as different things. Talk about fail. The Sarge from the Ambush a redneck? And what gave you that idea?

And the same for the Amerigo marines? Right, you can say they're rednecks when they didn't say a single word except for that one marine.

Our case rests on the word of God, which in this case form a united opinion that people have embraced. This is backed up by evidence within the game that you continue to ignore.

That people have embraced? I'd like to see your survey on that. And you're ignoring the dozens of other things I've pointed out, such as the 99% of the other Terrans not being rednecks.

I don't know what your defintion of redneck is, but one from Wikipedia describes it as a person, often Caucasian, of lower socio-economic status and typically, though not exclusively, from the Southern United States. They are generally seen as uneducated and/or ignorant but resourceful enough to outwit others. Rednecks are often stereotypically depicted as beer-guzzling, gun-loving smokers and are usually associated with the Confederate flag along with a love for vulgar language (reference: here). In my opinion, a lot of Terran (not UED humans) fall into this category.

Alright sure, let's say the confederates are a bunch of rednecks. Prove that since the Dominion has taken over, that it's still rednecks in space. Because as far as I'm concerned, most of your case lies with the confederates, and once again outdated cinematics. You think there's a difference between Terran and Earthlings, and all your examples are of when the confederates were in power.

And as for your case resting with god, god can say anything but it won't mean anything if he doesn't DO anything. Go join a catholic church and you can listen to the word of god all you want there.

[Warsaw]

Woow. Bashing god now. I like where this is going.

[Nicol Bolas]

once again outdated cinematics

That are in the game under discussion. I thought that we agreed that the final arbiter was the game. Oh, that's right; it doesn't support your side, so it doesn't count.

Prove that since the Dominion has taken over, that it's still rednecks in space.

Are you saying that the Dominion murdered every civilian in the old Confederacy? They took out Tarsonis via the Zerg, but they didn't kill off every Confederate.

See, our side doesn't have to prove their position. You're making the claim that smacks in the face of what the primary material suggests, as well as what the creator of that material has stated. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Pandonetho]

Edit: Actually nvm, I'm tired about arguing on this subject. If you guys think they're nothing but a bunch of rednecks in space, fine with me.