How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?

[hyde]

Hey guys, I'd appreciate if you would stop the Bill O'Reilly shit and cutting my words without the other parts.

OK but yes, so their ammo boxes are smaller. So what, do I see any ammo boxes in any of the art or etc?! NO.

Sorry I did not make myself clear enough. How do you explain Marines in combat for more than 2 minutes? Sure they have their one clip but they obviously need a huge respetoire of ammunition if they are fighting zerg swarms.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMOTrIjVao

Go to 0:42. The marine encounters two hydralisks and fires off for a few seconds. The video then shows his ammo count of "189" . Assuming his rifle was fully loaded before the counter, he had at least double the ammunition because he depletes it within seconds. So lets be nice and say he had 500.
He couldn't even rip off a bit of a hydralisk. So what the hell is 500 rounds going to do? Even if they have a couple of "boxes" attached to their suit, thats maybe 10 secs of battle. Maybe Terran Marine corps expect marines only to last 5 seconds but considering he's in a trench and in a line..I would expect him to last much longer than a marine on patrol...


And for the "childish remarks" I was trying to show how redundant arguments about Sci-Fi and what is and what isn't canon arguments. Little details in map editors and etc suddenly change the physical laws and forces of the StarCraft world.
Yes that map editor is not canon, but that enclosed flora building is in the original StarCraft editor.
Yeah a map has a rusty pit, maybe it was for stylistic choices, or they didnt want the platform to look like this pristine white Year 2500 Apple-Esque design platform. So suddenly we assume oxygen exists. Thats regular logic, but when dealing with this sci-fi crap - I think the people making the cinematics and etc really just care for aesthetics...

Another example...


I'm pretty sure you all know what this is and where it's from. That monitor looks older than the Apple II shit I used in elementary. I realize CRT tubes last longer than LCDs..but its the year 2500 and they switched back to CRT?....
OKAY....

OR ... the cinematic artists wanted a "Sanitary but grungy terran looking feel" for the Marine-Ready room (I remember reading this somewhere..). What would fit better, some pristine Minority Report hologram screen or some yellow CRT screen?

[Perfecttear]

I think that the marines have reserve clips stored inside their huge shoulders, which seamed to have an empty space. Judging by the size of them they could easily store atleast 10 clips in both shoulders together, which could be more than 5000 rounds-spikes.
And judging from their combat live expectancy(which is realy low), they probaly don't need mroe than that.^^

[Kacaier]

Yeah a map has a rusty pit, maybe it was for stylistic choices, or they didnt want the platform to look like this pristine white Year 2500 Apple-Esque design platform. So suddenly we assume oxygen exists. Thats regular logic, but when dealing with this sci-fi crap - I think the people making the cinematics and etc really just care for aesthetics...

Then you obviously have no argument with enclosed flora on the Space Platform considering for all you know, it is just a stylistic, aesthetic choice, rather than denoting a lack of atmosphere on the platform itself. To the old argument, for all you know, there has never been a marine depicted in "deep space." But considering the Space Platform is only one map out of the multitudes of others, we can ascertain most of the time that there is not "leak" in the armor due to space.

In all actuality, space is not as dangerous as people assume anyhow. The pressure difference between a spatial vacuum with the pressure of a livable area (ergo atmosphere) is not as high as a pressurized canister and regular atmosphere. So there is no explosive decompression or automatic death to the marine anyhow.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970603.html

[Norfindel]

Uhmm... being realist, the Marines would carry extra clips (inside the shoulder pads, as already said), and the ammo counter on the BW rifle has 3 digits! If they need still more ammo, a vehicle can carry it, they can air-drop it, or whatever. And if they're fighting against a huge swarm, hopefully they have some kind of support, or they will die fairly quickly, probably without even spending all the ammo.

Basically, the weapon is a machinegun capable of uninterrupted fire as long as there is any ammo left (that's judging by the BW intro). I don't know if we have anything like that today, i think that only gatling-style autocannons can shoot that way.

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[drakolobo]

c-14 is scheduled for controlled burst shot to save ammunition according to the manual

[hyde]

Then you obviously have no argument with enclosed flora on the Space Platform considering ........

That was my point the entire time, I just couldn't think of a nice way to put it.

My point is, this discussion is trivial and no one really has grounds on anything.
Hell Christ Metzen can come walk in on us and ret-conn the entire universe and say Kerrigan was a brunette. Like what they did to Nova.

In all actuality, space is not as dangerous as people assume anyhow. The pressure difference between a spatial vacuum with the pressure of a livable area (ergo atmosphere) is not as high as a pressurized canister and regular atmosphere. So there is no explosive decompression or automatic death to the marine anyhow.

No offence, but you are trying way too hard.
The temperature in space is 2.725 Kelvin. That's almost absolute zero. Like -270C/-455F.
I never said you would explode in space, but I'm pretty sure the oxygen supply would be whisked away by the vaccuum effect - that's if your core body temperature doesn't freeze below 0.

Ok I've experienced -50Celcius weather, I don't think you could last more than a minute in -200Celcius.

[drakolobo]

I just couldn't Like what they did to Nova.

what?when?how?

[Kacaier]

No offence, but you are trying way too hard.
The temperature in space is 2.725 Kelvin. That's almost absolute zero. Like -270C/-455F.
I never said you would explode in space, but I'm pretty sure the oxygen supply would be whisked away by the vaccuum effect - that's if your core body temperature doesn't freeze below 0.

No offense, but I don't think you're trying hard enough.

Basic science 101, how does heat transmit? I'll give you the three only ways: Conduction, convection, and radiation. Now, considering space is an empty void, there's obviously not much to conduct or convect heat to. So our only option is radiation. Unfortunately, we are not stellar objects. The amount of heat we emit via radiation is extremely low. I'd love to see you prove me wrong on that.

And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.

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[Norfindel]

c-14 is scheduled for controlled burst shot to save ammunition according to the manual

Inonsistent lore. That's the in-game justification for the cooldown. Did you seen BW's intro cinematic?

Also, when fighting against so much foes, it's better to have full auto. You don't really have to aim the weapon if there are a several waves of Zerglings next to each other ahead.

And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.

Yeah, but a shot in space? Won't you bleed to death really quick for the pressure difference anyways?

[hyde]

No offense, but I don't think you're trying hard enough.

Basic science 101, how does heat transmit? I'll give you the three only ways: Conduction, convection, and radiation. Now, considering space is an empty void, there's obviously not much to conduct or convect heat to. So our only option is radiation. Unfortunately, we are not stellar objects. The amount of heat we emit via radiation is extremely low. I'd love to see you prove me wrong on that.

And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.

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No thanks. I'm a finance major, not a science student. I didn't even take biology. You win the science battle.
And for the record, I never said you'd get some gruesome death. I said your suit could get compromised and it'd be over for you.
But one can only imagine how marines suffer the injuries in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure a melee encounter with a hydralisk/zealot/ or having C-14 Spikes impaling your suit would screw up the systems pretty fast. It looks like the marine suit has some sort of exhaust system or something on the back side, pretty sure thats a critical spot on the suit.