Firefly similarities

[Hawki]

I'm sorry, but you have to explain me this.

Maybe the only thing we can compare, is that River is an expirement of the goverment to form psychic assassin sort-of ( By what I learned from both the last episode and the movie, Serenity ) to the Ghost Program. But that's it.

Heh, fun time:

-Earth suffers overpopulation and pollution in both medias. This is linked to an exodus in both cases.

-The 'Verse is divided into the Inner Planets and Outer Planets, with the expected conotations that brings. The Confederacy had Core Worlds and Fringe Worlds designations with similar conotations.

-The Guild Wars and the Unification War-similar reasons, similar one-sidedness.

-Malcolm Reynolds=Jim Raynor

-Keith R.A. DeCandido wrote both the novelization for Serenity and Nova. In the latter, there's the Firefly Club, Malcolm Kelerchian's nickname is "Mal," the d'Abbarnville family exists in both medias.

-Ghost Program=Alliance's psychic program

-Cowboy/redneck elements in both universes

-The Koprulu Sector is on the edge of the galaxy. In Serenity, the 'Verse was implied to be (though The 'Verse in Numbers actually labelled it as the Tauri34 star cluster)

-An Alliance starship called a science vessel appears in concept art. Guess what it looks like.

-The MULE looks like the flying mule from certain angles.

Anyway, that's stuff off the top of my head. Still, I think the term "copy" is a bit harsh, as fiction doesn't exist in cultural vacuum. Similarities or not, I have nothing against fiction borrowing from each other.

[Aquanaut]

Similarities or not, I have nothing against fiction borrowing from each other.

Me too.

Yes, there is similarities between the fictions in fact ( Wow, I really have to watch the tv series again, like, right now. ). However, as long as with these similar ideas, it felt naturally/make sense/appropriate through their perspective universe, I'm okay with that. Besides, I've seen much worse steals ( Eragon, I'm looking at you. ).

[deadlock]

i was pretty disappointed with firefly actually. the characters didn't really seem to go anywhere. and i have to agree it borrowed a bit from starcraft, if i remember correctly the opening scene of the series was very similar to the starcraft 1 intro.

[BusinessMonkey]

My point was not about whether to steal or not, but how that "stealing" is used. What Aquanaut asked me to elaborate on, is a bit difficult to explain since it's more about the "cutting" and placements of camera angles combined with the lines the actors are saying.

Many of these are such precise reenactments of scenes from the original Star Wars trilogy. Many the ones between Luke/Leia and Han. Especially since the main character is basically a Han Solo lookalike and cheap copy.

And since these scenes REEK of geekish lust for making the same "crap" that was made 30+ years ago, without at least making it a least bit original (some scenes are 100% ripoffs) it kinda leaves me with the impression that the people writing the script really don't have any originality and critic sense in them, and that I don't like.

SC could steal a lot of aspects from the Aliens movie (just look at "The Amerigo" cinematic for God's sake) and the whole DarkHorse AvP comic enterprise, and still get through with it, because they put many original aspects and well written plottwists in the story.

Hope I explained myself better this time. Should be noted that I've only watched the Firefly pilot and 1 or 2 episodes afterwards. It was just too cheap.
Again. The idea is GREAT, the way they pulled it off... Awful.

[AdmiralMengsk]

Kinda how SC has borrowed from warhammer 40k? Tyranids and Zerg are almost interchangeable.

[MattII]

Kinda how the whole thing was taken from the 'Starship Troopers' novel by Robert Heinlein.

[Dauntless]

Firefly rocked.
StarCraft stole.

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[//MavericK\\]

Fox has it out for poor Joss Whedon. First with Firefly and the Dollhouse(which I didn't like too much). They love to kill off his shows.

First of all... Firefly was copied hugely from the whole StarCraft universe. But firefly was a bad series, because you could feel every embarrassing reference to StarCraft/Star Wars/Star Trek/etc. due to the obviousness of the actor's lines which again were written by HUGE GEEKS.

Firefly was a fine show. And the comparisons and references to StarWars and other scifi shows were entirely intentional.

[mr. peasant]

i was pretty disappointed with firefly actually. the characters didn't really seem to go anywhere. and i have to agree it borrowed a bit from starcraft, if i remember correctly the opening scene of the series was very similar to the starcraft 1 intro.

Erm... what? SC1's intro was about a bunch of hicks trying to salvage wreckage before being blown up by the Protoss as their purified a planet. Firefly's opening was about the end of the war where the main character loses all his men and his faith. The scene I think you're referring to in a good ten to fifteen minutes in where the crew are trying to board an abandoned ship in order to steal food supplies to be sold in the black market.

Again, these are rather different procedures. In SC1, the Terrans had all manner of salvaging vehicles and the ship was an utter wreck and practically blown to pieces. Where as in Firefly, the main characters were doing things by hand, were after a specific piece of cargo and the ship was in considerably better shape than the one in SC1. Hence, the only thing in common between those two aside from the sci-fi setting is that they were that they are 'vultures' picking after the dead and the scene involved a ship of some kind (again; one was obliterated space junk while the other still more or less one piece). If that's close enough to be considered copying or even directly inspired from one to the other, then many, many other shows/games/movies/books could be seen as copying from Starcraft (including ones from from before it was made).

[l33telboi]

I'd say the primary inspiration for Starcraft was Aliens. Just look at all the cutscenes. Cinematically speaking they're done in the exact same way the aliens movies are. Darkly lit rooms. Large metallic spaces. The feeling of emptiness. Large fans with a light behind them, etc. The military and even the ships have very similar designs (but then again, many ships in Sci-Fi borrows from Aliens). The Amerigo scene in particular could've easily been in any of the alien movies. In addition to this there are less subtle references. Like the Marine and the Dropship pilot quoting lines from Aliens non-stop, shake-n'-bake colonies etc.

I'd say the Terrans embody the humans from Aliens, mixed with some western, American civil war themes, and a ever so slight dash of Starship Troopers (the novel). Broodwars added some movie Starship Troopers. Starcraft did not borrow from Firefly, however. Starcraft came out several years before Firefly.

The Zerg are obviously inspired by Aliens given their similar look to the critters there, same style heads and so on, but there also seems to be a lot of biblical inspiration behind them, specifically the Old Testament.

The Protoss are the typical elder race. Like the Minbari (from B5), the Ancients (from Stargate) or any of the various hundreds of similar races. But they have a dash of Predator too them when you look at the race itself, and with a generous amount of the New Testament thematically.