People who think SC2 is getting worse after every update are hypocrits

[Norfindel]

It's not getting worse, it has it's up and downs, but seriously:

• They had to introduce UDP at this time? This should been in the game from the very start. NOBODY uses TCP for games, as you need the packets to get there with the fastest possible, and you can ignore packets that come in bad order. I mean, how the hell did they even thinked about using TCP? Everybody knows how it needs to be done, and is done from a very long time ago.
• What are they waiting to nerf the Marauder? How can anyone not see that this unit is too powerful for cost? What kind of comment is that they want to encourage air unit use?? Really?? Overpowering a T1.5 unit??? Not been able to attack air doesn't even play a role in this tier as there aren't any air units, except the Overlord. Terrans don't even build Tanks most of the time now. They own Roaches, they own Immortals, they resist Psi Storm, they have Stimpacks, can be healed, slows units down...
  If they want to encourage air unit use, they could still nerf the unit at low tier, and give it an upgrade around the time there's air units available. Or just keep it nerfed, and see if Terrans even bother to build something else than M&M&M&M&M&M&M.........
• The attack of the Void Ray is too strange, they need to have a more regular attack. This is a fast game, you cannot wait so much to get a decent attack (and then, it doesn't just get decent, it gets insane).

But yeah, there had been good changes in the patches, but some of them leave something to be desired, and some stuff is clearly broken from a long time ago, and needs fixing.

[Hamshank]

How about you stop being childish and stop calling people names before we give you the privilege of responding to your argument. If you're calling us hypocrites for criticizing and having input on the game why do you even want us to respond? You're obviously not going to listen.

[Skyze]

Dude, are you trying to be the biggest troll on SCL? It seems you just purposely go against everyones opinions for the sake of confrontation.

I think even in my thread, you AGREED with me how SC2 is getting worse in each patch, then you make this thread? Every thread you make is made to get people to post to your ludicrous remarks..

And I am talking merely from a COMPETITIVE standpoint; SC2 is shit. As a casual game for people who do not play in tournaments/leagues/FOR MONEY, then sure, its an ok game.. but for competitive players, SC2 is very far below standards right now. That was the point of my thread.

Right now, SC2 is the equivilant of CNC3 or DoW2, which is far off from BW and War3.

[Norfindel]

Can anybody create or join custom games? Because I definitely can't.

I cannot play multiplayer at all at this time, it always throws some "S2MASTER_SERVER_INVALID_DATA" error. Why did they needed to add so many modifications for BN in the same patch? Big problem, only 2000 games or so (and i bet they disconnect like crazy, i got a lot of disconnects since the game was patched). They even managed to fuck up sound in the BN interface, somehow.

Everything was running smoothy until they decided to announce the game launch and suddently begin to introduce big changes. Wasn't better to introduce the big changes, then announce the game?

I mean, it was like: Game will launch at July 27... oh, by the way, we just modified the whole game to use UDP, added the Facebook stuff, modified a lot of the BN interface, Zerg spells, and some other balance changes in patch 13... WTF?? Is this some kind of joke because it's patch 13, or what? -_-; Next time, call it 12 bis

[TheEconomist]

You didn't mention anything that anyone was actually complaining about

Also, this should be in the other topic.

[Skyze]

I cannot play multiplayer at all at this time, it always throws some "S2MASTER_SERVER_INVALID_DATA" error. Why did they needed to add so many modifications for BN in the same patch? Big problem, only 2000 games or so (and i bet they disconnect like crazy, i got a lot of disconnects since the game was patched). They even managed to fuck up sound in the BN interface, somehow.

Everything was running smoothy until they decided to announce the game launch and suddently begin to introduce big changes. Wasn't better to introduce the big changes, then announce the game?

I mean, it was like: Game will launch at July 27... oh, by the way, we just modified the whole game to use UDP, added the Facebook stuff, modified a lot of the BN interface, Zerg spells, and some other balance changes in patch 13... WTF?? Is this some kind of joke because it's patch 13, or what? -_-; Next time, call it 12 bis

Well according to Wanker, the game is getting better.. so Patch 13 is superior to patch 12 clearly.. Who wants to play full games when you can disconnect out of all your losses? OMG GENIUS BLIZZARD!

[Wankey]

Well according to Wanker, the game is getting better.. so Patch 13 is superior to patch 12 clearly.. Who wants to play full games when you can disconnect out of all your losses? OMG GENIUS BLIZZARD!

My name is Wankey get it right. You're just bitter and you have absolutely no industry experience in this matter. Please finish high school and get some University education, then maybe try to work as a software developer before mouthing anything more about how to run a global network infrastructure.

While I did agree with your thread about *balance* and that they chose the "nerf the Queen instead of add more pawns" way to balance the game, I do not like the way you put down an incredibly well created battle.net service.

Comparing B.net to other gaming services like the great "heroes of newerth" is a joke. It takes an average of 10 seconds to get into a game with Starcraft 2. It takes an average of 3-4 minutes for Heroes of Newerth, and the kicker is, they have more players playing the game there than Starcraft.

Small details such as using UDP or TCP, well guess what, it's in the game.UDP isn't that much better than TCP. Yes its faster but it also has no error checking and less reliable than TCP. You need an extra layer of code to make sure it acts the same way and that is probably what Blizzard engineers have been using.

This is beta and they are definitely still ironing out the bugs. It's funny how you guys are screaming about how they are changing too many things near the end or moving things around. You've certainly not made very big projects yourselves have you? It's always the last few months that you really start to go into overdrive and start spending way too much time at work and sleeping small amount of hours. The Engineers at Blizzard often pull hundred hour weeks so give them a break if something small breaks.

The guys at Blizzard are truely trying to break down the barrier between nerd gamer and regular person. Facebook was a necessity because the market grab there is huge. Chat rooms, is for nerds to meet other nerds. Social people all have facebook, and getting more social people interested into Starcraft is a far superior way to market this game than continuing to push the game for hardcore RTS players. Making the game so that you play with all your real life friends first, getting parties together with real people so you guys can all discuss about the game in real life after playing is paramount to Blizzard's furture strategy. This game isn't about forster e-sports from the get go. It's about appealing to the widest audience imaginable and then having the top players of that audience form the esport league.

Most of you have very weird thoughts about how to market a game. You want Battle.net 1.0 features in a 2010 game? For eSports to grow, you need to introduce it to the real masses, not the chat room hoarding basement dwellers of the past.

[Hamshank]

This has nothing to do with Starcraft, it has to do with your attitude; this forum has had friendly debate for years.

[DemolitionSquid]

this forum has had friendly debate for years

Say what? This forum is a hive of scum and villainy.

[Gradius]

Well, I was hoping we could have a civil conversation despite the inflammatory thread title, but I see that won't be happening.

Wankey - quit trying to piss people off
Everybody else - do your best to stay on topic please

Closed.