Anyone feel SC2 is getting worse with each update??

[spychi]

Good things about BN 2.0
the buttons and other stuff llike that

bad things about BN 2.0 that we have now implemented
chat system, friends lists
facebook integration which I am not fond on
region lock - we all know that it needs to go
lack of LAN - if the servers would reduce the lag between me and my neighbour I wouldn't complain, but for fuck's sake I can join other games and those might be less laggy
oh yeah and the divisions, I like to know how good I am in the whole world and I would like to see a list for it, not some divisions
problems with SC2 multi balance that we have now

as people already know everyone is switching to terrans and people say that MMM is too strong, I will disagree; what changed is only the cost of two upgrades that research near tier 2 was always done by terran players

I am having no problems with MMM
Phoenix+Zeals+HT+Stalkers

Immortals+Zeals+Stalkers and Sentry


any combo I am thinking about right now will tear them apart
the Zerg race needs a overall re-design in all tiers
I love PvZ and in SC1 it was always a challenge to play PvZ with a good opponent
Dark Archons, HT
but mostly I build corsairs and DT's

in SC2 it's too easy to wipe out a Zerg Army

[Cheesenium]

To be honest, i feel that Sc2 needs to be delayed for at least 3 months to fix up the Battlenet 2.0 as we know there are too many problems,while Blizzard promised to deliver a esports friendly system. At the end, it has nothing other than Facebook intergration and half cooked features.

It's not ready for release yet,as the current Battlenet is far worse than Relic Online on Company of Heroes. RO has chat channels, old school custom game menu with custom name, password protected games and even display ping. A pretty decent ladder system. SC2 needs to take a page from that and put it in Battlenet,as without a good multiplayer system, SC2 isnt much different than RA3, DoW or CoH as the competitive multiplayer isnt really working. RA3, DoW and CoH was plagued by balance issues and lag issues. Sc2 is currently plagued by a too casual friendly Battlenet which is meant for people who play SC2 for 3 months and move to RUSE/ CoH2/ HW3/ next big RTS.

I love the game. I love the graphics. I love the balance which is damn good for a Beta. The main problem with it is the Battlenet.

In addtion, Blizzard have to rethink it's priority. Do they want to make a truly amazing sequel to the legendary Starcraft, or they want to make the RTS version of Modern Warfare 2 and wait for their competitors to come out with another much more superior product than theirs? In MW2's case, that would be BFBC2. If Black Ops failed, i expect Battlefield 3 to put CoD franchise in the coffin at least for PC.

[AdmiralMengsk]

This last patch is a joke. Ever 3v3 4v4 game I join has atleast 3 to 6 players as terran. It ridiculous. I play terran or toss most of the time and right now It's just annoying to see what this patch has done to beta.

Facebook - I'm sick and F'ing tired of all this damned Facebook integration this and social network that. IT'S NOT GAME PLAY ENHANCING! WE DON'T NEED IT! Blizzard needs to go in and make Bnet 2.0 what it should be. The premiere match making, (facebook free) social gaming network in the world. Instead we get our fucking SCV's poked by sarah or billy. Wheres the chat channels? Why do I need an email address to add friends? Blizzard needs to get its priorities straight or I'll take my money else where. If things don't improve after beta comes back online next month then I'll be playing something else indeed. I know this is just beta but we're just two months off from release and they've had what seven years to work on this game? What a joke.

[SaZun]

This last patch is a joke. Ever 3v3 4v4 game I join has atleast 3 to 6 players as terran. It ridiculous. I play terran or toss most of the time and right now It's just annoying to see what this patch has done to beta.

Facebook - I'm sick and F'ing tired of all this damned Facebook integration this and social network that. IT'S NOT GAME PLAY ENHANCING! WE DON'T NEED IT! Blizzard needs to go in and make Bnet 2.0 what it should be. The premiere match making, (facebook free) social gaming network in the world. Instead we get our fucking SCV's poked by sarah or billy. Wheres the chat channels? Why do I need an email address to add friends? Blizzard needs to get its priorities straight or I'll take my money else where. If things don't improve after beta comes back online next month then I'll be playing something else indeed. I know this is just beta but we're just two months off from release and they've had what seven years to work on this game? What a joke.

Every 3v3 and 4v4 match I've taken part in has had a healthy mix of races. Most of the players selecting random. Just because people choose to play terran isn't the patches fault. It was going to happen in 3v3 and 4v4 regardless of if they released it now or at launch. Wouldn't you rather they see what happens in the beta than in launch where your record will actually stay?

Honestly all I see from your post is you still can't defend reaper harrass. You do know that if it fails thats a loss to their starting econ?

Once again don't tap facebook in with your bnet account and it wont affect you.

[GnaReffotsirk]

Facebook Question: I thought this was only to scan your facebook friends for people who have Battle.Net accounts and SC2 in their accounts?

On Balance: I wasn't really expecting this game to be balanced even after release and the three expansions. Not until someone makes a well written and short yet concise of what needs to be changed and how.

On BNet Features Request:

Certain Accounts can purchase or request to become host of a tournament, where a separate ladder is then created within battle.net for those who are invited to that tourney.

Imagine a Tournaments button, and it would then lead you to a page where your name and everyone else who was invited is in there. Then there are sub-sections like those tourney tree thing where you are paired with someone etc.

[eluadyl]

Facebook Question: I thought this was only to scan your facebook friends for people who have Battle.Net accounts and SC2 in their accounts?

On Balance: I wasn't really expecting this game to be balanced even after release and the three expansions. Not until someone makes a well written and short yet concise of what needs to be changed and how.

One of the best answers so far imho.

[Cheesenium]

One of the best answers so far imho.

Still,it doesnt add anything worth mentioning to the game.

I scanned my facebook of 100 to 200 people, only 2 are playing SC2. While more than half are stuck with facebook games.

The worse thing is, those 2 are people who i see often in real life where i can just ask for their email.

[Skyze]

One of the best answers so far imho.

disagree, bad answers.

First, its not only this whole "being forced to use facebook to add friends" bullshit, which is clearly horrible, but its the fact Bnet 2.0 IS basically facebook. The whole bottom friends list/chat setup, is all an exact copy of facebook, which is pretty horrible.

And the balance thing, sure it wont be 100% perfect balanced for a long while, esp with expansions coming.. Thats not what we're complaining about, we're complaining that PRE-PATCH 10, the balance WAS PRETTY GOOD.. but they ruined it in the last 3 patches pretty bad, totally changed the game and are buffing/nerfing the wrong units! To the point where I have no faith of them ever fixing the balance the right way, clearly they dont understand what makes the game balanced if they just nerfed ultras and void rays, and buffed marines/marauders even more, which was already the strongest composition in the game.

[eluadyl]

Maybe they just need to do some wrong to see what's actually right. I was just referring to the general optimism in that post without being too fanboyish.

I actually share your hatred about the 'forced facebook' issue and everything.

[hyde]

Nice ninja edit to take out all the flaming you did, I wont sink to your level and personally insult you though.

Video games were made for entertainment?? right. That right there, speaks volumes about your knowledge into the SC world. You know how much money is made from competitive SC playing each year? You do know that some players in War3, get a salary to play upwards to $100,000 US? You know how many copies of SC are sold in korea solely due to the Esports community? If theres no Esports/competitive gaming in SC, their sales will drop by about 1000%.

I apologize. But unfortunately I needed to put everyone's collective vehement fanboyism into one, you just so happen to be the most vocal one.
The few others I cut in their tracks had non-valid arguments, but you have genuine concerns though.

Anyways,
Look I know how disappointed you are, I used to play competitively back in the day with Brood War as well. I also played WC3 casually enough to hit Top50 Ladder on several seasons before they dramatically changed the game. I've been in Plat/Diamond league since this beta started. I was disappointed with the gameplay from the start, lots of it feels automized and many strats/builds look and feel very forced and cookie. I know where your arguments are coming from.

But to address your main argument, Blizzard can do this now because they can. This isn't 1998, with people calling SC 'warcraft in space'. This is 2010, they have a WoW player base of 10 million and basically a monopoly on the PC RTS Genre. They have guaranteed launch sales of 5 million globally I would imagine.

Modern Warfare 2 is a perfect example of a company gutting and locking down a successful title to yield out even more cash. They killed all aspects of the "competitive" possibilities in it. For the record, Infinity Ward employees hate PC gamers ... I wonder why... (Kidding)

Modern Warfare 2 'Stimulus Package' sells over 2.5M units in a week

At 15$ a pop, and having more than half the maps being recycled, this is pure cash. 30$ Million dollars from 5 subpar maps.
It'll happen again June 27th with their second map pack.

And Blizzard is releasing
-2 expansion packs
-Premium maps
-I expect 5$ Thor/Carrier/Cruiser model or unit costume packs.
-Pure $$$$$$$

This is from the same beast, just both companies have two different heads, but I have a strong feeling Bobby Kotick is the dominant one. (Yes Blizzard has autonomy but do 25$ Mounts on WoW say anything to you?)

Blizzard has included in their EULA legal clauses which prevent anyone to use SC2 as a competitive device, etc. They removed LAN to prevent that from happening as well.
Face it, Activision Blizzard has locked down the game and is controlling every aspect of it's "e-sports".

Look they know that the e-sports community has kept SC2 alive, but the people who call the shots still want to maximize cash. I know (hope) Blizzard has more sensibility than Activision/Infinity Ward. I have faith that they will implement essential features to keep the E-Sports scene alive, while maintaining control over the game - but balancing this in such a way that 5 Million people buy Expansion #2 and #3 on launch day - thus maximizing profit. It's my hopeful compromise, because a StarCraft 2 modelled after StarCraft 1 is beyond wishful thinking, it's a hilarious joke to Mike Morhaime and Bobby Kotick.

There isn't much you can do when a company does this. I loved Call of Duty 4 and FPS games from EPIC. I've been through this many times and depending on the company, the backstabbing will only vary in degrees of pain. Considering PC players "Made" Epic games, we sort of well - you know - want Gears of War 2 and 3 on the PC. Instead, CliffyB (Designer and head at EPIC for Gears) calls us a bunch of "pirates" when their port fails. Thanks EPIC. Another one bites the dust.
Blizzard joined this club of sell-outs the moment they became associated with Activision, either that or the $ from WoW truly got to their heads.
It's sad but true, marketing to the casual player base sells. World of WarCraft is a perfect example, they dumbed down many of the "Hardcore" aspects of the MMO Genre and it's dominating the MMO Scene.

And finally, you need to ask yourself - How many of the vocal complainers wil cave in and buy StarCraft 2 retail when it comes out?
I don't think anyone here needs to answer that, because we all know frightening answer.


P.S. Valve Software truly deserved Developer of the Year. Blizzard can go F- themselves. I'll still buy SC2 for the sake of singleplayer, but at this point - you guys need to be realistic about where SC2 is going. Because to be quite frank, the removal of Dedicated Servers in MW2 hit all the gaming sites and made headlines. They still went ahead with it. I'm willing to bet 75% of SC2 fans or would be buyers have no idea that B.net 2.0 has no chat. We're fucked as fans to be really frank. Which is the reason why I'm telling you to voice your complaints on the official forums or go email it to kotaku,joystiq,eshacknews, etc. Cause arguing amongst SCL fans (Face it, everyone here is pretty "UN-Casual" about StarCraft) will probably yield the least utility and the need to spread the word.