Roach should get Armor or Regen back?

[protoswarrior]

What??? You can't call it a buff if you just strictly nerf something. Imagine if Zealot cost 150 instead of 100. Yeah, it is a buff because you can now totally skip Zealots, what crappy Logic is that?

Roach was too good late game, and after nerf it, and not buffing anything, you can't call it buff.

And good luck rushing to the Hydras without getting Roaches or Lings and get pushed to death by 5 Zealots and 3 Sentries every fucking game...

I am seeing so many Zergs doing Ling/Baneling instead of Roaches, because they don't think at all. The only time you should be getting Roaches is early game since patch 12...

Not saying Ling/Baneling sucks, cause they don't, it is pretty good strategy, but depends on what units is your opponent making, you can't go for it vs. Terran Mech, you will be eaten alive, and that is what most Zergs do today...

Ramiz, you don't have to get all excited :P

The logic is that the Roach as it was was crippling the diversity of the zerg force. Without it being the focus early-game, zerg players can now start thinking outside the box, which Protoss has had to do all along... the result?

OMGZoorz VR are OP !!11 one!

But, I'm not saying it's a good thing completely, just from a certain point of view. When was the last time a Zerg used Roach as a SUPPORT unit rather than a backbone?

[newcomplex]

The logic is that the Roach as it was was crippling the diversity of the zerg force. Without it being the focus early-game, zerg players can now start thinking outside the box, which Protoss has had to do all along... the result?

No, it wasn't. Basically, instead of hydraroach, linghydra, lingmuta, roachmuta, you now have hydraling and ling muta. The zerg only have NINE fighting units, one of them is shit, and the other is used to counter all of one unit in the entire game.

which Protoss has had to do all along

Look, as a random player, I know everyone likes to think that they're own race is the super special underdog which requires so much skill to play, but it isn't. Playing protoss is no harder then playing zerg at any point in the beta. In fact, in the first few weeks they were easier because they were just broken.

When was the last time a Zerg used Roach as a SUPPORT unit rather than a backbone?

lol. They aren't used as a support unit because they are not support units. They do not support anything, their dps is abysmal, they have no additional abilities that are useful unless you mass them, and their only advantage is high health.

[RamiZ]

Ramiz, you don't have to get all excited :P

The logic is that the Roach as it was was crippling the diversity of the zerg force. Without it being the focus early-game, zerg players can now start thinking outside the box, which Protoss has had to do all along... the result?

OMGZoorz VR are OP !!11 one!

But, I'm not saying it's a good thing completely, just from a certain point of view. When was the last time a Zerg used Roach as a SUPPORT unit rather than a backbone?

I understand what do you mean, but as Newcomplex said, it didn't really open anything, it actually closed some possibilities.

Even if it was crippling the diversity of the Zerg force(and it really isn't), it isn't a buff to the Zerg, because they aren't stronger.

[Xadr]

Wow... This thread went alot more ahead then expected... LOL

[MulletBen]

I fully agree with an increase in regen, AND an increase in tunneling speed. The "Tunnel Burrow" upgrade on my roach warren has been untouched in too many games; something as cool as that shouldn't be left so unused.

[Skyze]

I think its pointless until Roaches are 1 supply again. The point of them is being a unit that is still decent earlygame, but its true strength comes in having so many numbers its hard to get rid of them lategame..

Kinda like REAL roaches. You can kill them fine, but they multiply so quickly, you cant ever kill all of them.

Making the roach have 2 armor or regen or anything else, just makes ZvZ back to roach wars. How they are now, you CAN fight them with mass zerglings and win, and thats how it should be. IF they were 1 supply.

Now, if you watch ZvZ at top level play, every game is who can get banelings first and blow up the other persons drones. Nothing else. cause roaches (which absorb baneling hits quite well) cant be massed fast enough to stop your drones from being owned, thanks to being 2 supply.

And ZvT is just retardedly imbalanced now, since lategame where you would normally have like 40 roaches, you only have 20 now.. and that is SIGNIFICANT vs the MMM ball, which already got buffed just about every patch this game, the latest with stim being 100/100 making roaches even more worthless.

So its 1 supply or nothing basically, roach is worthless now.

[Noise]

Yes I think it should get it's regen above-ground back and hit points reduced to make it more interesting. Also it should move faster while underground to make it more of a base raider and to encourage that sort of play. The game isn't balanced enough to warrant not making changes like this for fear of upsetting said balance.

[Sietsh-Tenk]

If it wasn't for the Marauder, no one would be complaining about nerfed Roaches. Remove stim from the Marauder, their role should be allowing marines to kite. Versus Roaches and Stalkers a stimmed Marauder is like a stimmed Dragoon. It's ridiculous.

[Noise]

I agree Marauders have so much health, do so much damage and move and fire so damn fast for a Tier 1 unit.