Roach should get Armor or Regen back?

[RamiZ]

Well I edited my post a few times... But no, roaches use to have above ground regen. It was just a lot less then the burrow regen. That is why the lings could never kill them, the amount of lings that could surround the roach would not be able to do enough dmg to beat the regen.

And you are talking to the island that he has no idea what he is talking about. What an Irony.
Roaches had above ground regeneration in some Alpha version, where they also had 100 hp and did 8+8 vs. biological damage.
Zerglings couldn't kill Roaches only because of 2 armor with what Roaches started, they were killing Zerglings much before Zerglings could even touch them...

[13thLegion]

Yea, I've been a victim to a one base mass roach rush. The 2 supply should help with that. There wasn't much I could do about it either... (I survived the first wave barely, then the 2nd wave wiped the floor with me.)

[flak4321]

I agree with this nerf.

Off topic zany suggestion:

Turn the Roach into this:

20 sup
5 armor
40 hp
Able to one shot Thors by default.

Takers?
Thoughts?
Angry mobs?

Wait a minute....

Uh-oh....

(lol)

[minerals]

I agree with this nerf.

Off topic zany suggestion:

Turn the Roach into this:

20 sup
5 armor
40 hp
Able to one shot Thors by default.

Takers?
Thoughts?
Angry mobs?

Wait a minute....

Uh-oh....

(lol)

/agree

[SlickR]

I support not making roaches crap as they are making them now.

[TheRabidDeer]

Above ground regeneration was removed and will not come back because it randomised the outcome of a battle too much, your army could come out wide ahead, win close or the opposite outcomes; only with absolute flawless micro the outcome would be always the same.
Since SC2 aims to be a skill based game such big luck based factors cannot stay in the game.

It wasnt so much random, but that late game (when you got hive tech) it became too much micro for the opponent of the zerg to handle roaches. If you didnt focus fire, they would regen too much and crush your army. But, at that stage of the game trying to focus fire control your 60 units vs his 100 roaches is just way too difficult.

I would love it if roach burrow micro would come back though.

[Xadr]

Thanks for the supports guys. ROCK ON!!

[TWD]

I haven't used roaches since they lost the armor. Their range sucks, and they are simply too slow. Stalkers destroy them, marauders destroy them, and speedlings can just run past them. In almost every case I'll skip them and go right to hydralisks. I guess there are some cases where they are useful, but since the 3 previously mentioned strats are all you really see now anyways it's kind of a mute point.
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[KadajSouba]

So, they removed regeneration above the ground, armor, and now increased pop slots. This ain't THE roach anymore. Just an average unit. Yeah with 3 upgrades, that looks more like something you can do with map editor something that was forced, not something from a multiplayer unit.

The core unit is just an average ranged zerg unit.

[Sietsh-Tenk]

So, they removed regeneration above the ground, armor, and now increased pop slots. This ain't THE roach anymore. Just an average unit. Yeah with 3 upgrades, that looks more like something you can do with map editor something that was forced, not something from a multiplayer unit.

The core unit is just an average ranged zerg unit.

That's the whole point. Roach is a support tank: enough hp and armor to tank properly, enough damage to warrant enemy attention. I'll be more than happy to see a Hydralisk resurgence.