Battlecruiser, a useless unit.

[newcomplex]

This wrong on every point except "they suck" :P.


BC do 64 DPS. This is the single highest DPS value in the entire game. On top of that, they have almost the second highest HP value in the entire game. Cost for cost, they should win to both Vikings and Void rays, though vikings have the advantage of being able to outrange them, a major problem.

[MattII]

How about if BCs are cheaper than now (say 350/200), but instead of getting Yamato as soon as you research it you have to upgrade each unit individually, for a cost (say an additional 50/100)?

[imdrunkontea]

@ newcomplex: BCs only do 6 damage vs air, vs 10 against ground.

[Wankey]

this wrong on every point except "they suck" .


Bc do 64 dps. This is the single highest dps value in the entire game. On top of that, they have almost the second highest hp value in the entire game. Cost for cost, they should win to both vikings and void rays, though vikings have the advantage of being able to outrange them, a major problem.

6 * 1 / .225 = 26dps.

10 * 1 / .225 = 44dps

Where on earth do you get the 64dps number from?

[MattII]

Probably from someone using old numbers (8*8) and assuming 1 firing cycle per second.

[KadajSouba]

There are 2 things that the battlecruiser got wrong. While the little lasers look cool, its just stupid that you need like 10 shots to kill a single unit. Lets not talk about units with a lot of HP. Also, why the hell they do less damage to air??? I mean they are the ultimate terran weapon, the highest tier unit, why giving to it a laughable air damage??? 6???? Come on, a small group of marines can deal the same or more damage, for a fraction of the cruisers price.

This is (or was) my favourite unit, so it hurts to watch the actual state of it. Blizzard needs to start working on the highest tier units (Cruiser, Carrier, Mothership, Ultras).

[RamiZ]

Probably from someone using old numbers (8*8) and assuming 1 firing cycle per second.

Yeah, they had 8 attacks of 8 damage some time ago. But still, BCs are far from useless. This thread reminds me on your "Hellions are absolutely useless." thread. I really don't know how do you get this ideas...

[MattII]

Also, why the hell they do less damage to air??? I mean they are the ultimate terran weapon, the highest tier unit, why giving to it a laughable air damage??? 6????

Presumably because they wanted it to be more of an AtG unit than an AtA one, though I have to agree that it seems like a stupid way to do it, why not just give it a few more underside cannons (so it does 8*8 vs air, but 10*8 vs ground)?

[imdrunkontea]

Presumably because they wanted it to be more of an AtG unit than an AtA one, though I have to agree that it seems like a stupid way to do it, why not just give it a few more underside cannons (so it does 8*8 vs air, but 10*8 vs ground)?

I do agree it's a rather arbitrary change - but I think of it the same way how WW2 battleships had big guns for land targets, and smaller machine guns for air targets. Of course, they could probably represent that in game better, but that's probably the reasoning behind it.

[Wankey]

Yeah, they had 8 attacks of 8 damage some time ago. But still, BCs are far from useless. This thread reminds me on your "Hellions are absolutely useless." thread. I really don't know how do you get this ideas...

Hellion wass completely useless once you hit higher tier gameplay past initial worker harass.

With the new buff however, it's probably a lot better. They stealth tweaked a lot of Hellion stats including firing *distance, acceleration, responsiveness etc. The unit is a lot easier to use now and isn't so useless.