Suggestion: Replace thor with an Anti-Air Siege tank

[REF]

over/under powered aside, the only thing that bugs me about the thor is the sheer size of the damn thing.

technically, it's replacing the goliath more or less right? Well... how difficult must it be to bring 5-6 thors from 1 side of your base to other during a muta or even carrier harass? Its size would cause major traffic and due to it's slow speed already... it's an easy micro battle ftw and it's not in the thor's favor

I would prefer if the goliath made a comeback, and a thor considered as a heavy assult unit vs ground. But then again, with the BC's and seige tanks already in game, i don't think terran needs it, unless it's like a mothership where you can only have 1 on the field @ once. Then zerg fans would need one too, and then there's the queen and NOW we're getting into like 4 new subjects.

But yes - lets see some beta videos first, then we'll make a true statement for it's usefulness

Finally - No wayyyy would I want a AA siege tank. That's soooooo much micro. I don't think it's fair. you'd spend all your time seiging and unsieging all the damn time.

[Kimera757]

technically, it's replacing the goliath more or less right?

Haven't you be reading the thread? No! The viking replaces the goliath. The thor replaces the Valkyrie, it just happens to be a big ground unit.

Well... how difficult must it be to bring 5-6 thors from 1 side of your base to other during a muta or even carrier harass?

1) Thors have range 10. You won't have to move around a lot. I presume the long range is to make up for the inevitable traffic jam.

2) Thors suck vs carriers just like valkyries do. (See the first question/answer.) It's also not that slow.

What about giving the Viking in ground mode the ability to shoot air units with it's machineguns?

Blizzard tried that before. For some reason they dumped the idea.

To me, the Thor is becoming a valkyre on the ground, plus a ground attack for the sake of defending itself.

The ground attack is does 60 damage. That's not just defending itself, that's kicking ass. It's designed to destroy fortified positions, it better have a decent attack.

[Drake Clawfang]

I think the original Thor was fine. A ground-based version of the Battlecruiser, IMO, with flexibility based on its unique construction. The current Thor sounds like a beefed up Goliath with STA splash. I know this has been said countless times before, but the Thor should go back to SCV-built and the Viking take its place at the Factory with Air-Mode build at a Tech Lab add-on to the Starport. Given that the Banshee has cloak and splash, it seems that it effectively makes the Viking obsolete, especially since I understand the Viking needs a Tech Lab while the Banshee does not.

[unentschieden]

A anti Air AOE range of 10 is way more significant than it looks. Its pretty much custom made against Mutalisks which - stack, have low HP and a short attack range. It´s also notifiable that In normal cases range 10 is beyond sight range. Just use a cloaked Banshee/Ghost as scout and they won´t even know what hit them (shooting no longer reveals FOW).

There is a slight difference between weak and inefficient. The Thor is strong in GTG but the Siegetank is stronger and cheaper. It´s like trying to replace Zerglings with Ultralisks - the ultra LOOKS like the upsized version of the Zergling but its anything but.

[Kimera757]

Like the ultralisk, the thor is a meat shield more than a damage dealer. (It seems to have lost its Rebirth ability, and has some sort of offensive Plasma Cannon ability.)

I believe it was created to give terrans an option for GtG combat beyond using siege tanks. And of course you can mix them up. Put the thors in front, and let them take 400 damage worth of hits from the zealots while your siege tanks take less ground fire. (The thor can also protect the tanks from void rays and phoenixes using Anti Gravity.)

[Whanhee]

The original thor used to be built by scvs. Perhaps there are ways in which the thor can be made to be both a structure and a unit. Sort of a mobile command post for armies.

Perhaps make the thor the detector unit for terran. the new raven seems to be taking a more combat role anyways. Or give it the ability to repair air units rapidly like the starbase used to. Maybe even give it a scarab/spidermine/defensive drone hybrid. It builds little seeker missiles that automatically target enemy ground units.

Making the thor a combat unit imo will just ruin its image as a gigantic mechanical monstrosity. It shouldn't be a main fighting unit against anything but its mere presence should be able to turn the tide of a battle.

[FlashWar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKFKPGXb88

I know this match is outdated but the main unit that seemed to be used was the Thor. I just wanted to bring this up because in the past it seemed to be overpowered to me and I hope this has been changed.

[Lupino]

Return the Thor to its original incarnation, and add an altered Starcraft version of this:

Of course the original wasn't an AA tank, but it looks cool regardless and those six 106mm barrels can be made to either fire rapidly or AoE at air targets (and perhaps ground?).

[Josue]

"the tank should be the Terran's siege unit! " as someone commented on you tube.
Thor seems to be too big and slow, therefore useless.

Is it me or it's just that the hatred towards the Thor is because it is a biped that resembles the old goliath with a an air attack that works like the valkyrie, and a massive size that just makes the tank pale and seem too small.
(I think thor looks too "wide" that's my opinion)
Am I right?

[MattII]

Return the Thor to its original incarnation, and add an altered Starcraft version of this:

Of course the original wasn't an AA tank, but it looks cool regardless and those six 106mm barrels can be made to either fire rapidly or AoE at air targets (and perhaps ground?).

Interesting idea, but I'd prefer something like:

ie, a bolt-on for the existing tank, possibly as an alternative to the Siege Mode (like the Battlecruiser).