Suggestion: Replace thor with an Anti-Air Siege tank

[n00bonicPlague]

If you got a goliath back, what would do about its harmful effects on AtG units?

lolz, you just posted post #666

Well, I don't really want the Goliath back. I was just using that in order to simplify my suggestion for Nicol. IIRC, the Viking doesn't have the missile range that the Goliath did, so I don't think having it walk on the ground will be a problem for the enemy. In fact, I'm convinced that leaving it grounded would cause problems for the controlling player, as it cannot chase after flying enemy units. This "Goliath" state would be temporary, simply allowing a more pleasant anti-air alternative to the Thor. Yes, it brings out the Viking earlier, but it would initially lack flight, so it wouldn't be like the Terrans got a jump-start on air units.

Why would you ever research that? Why would you give up the perfect GtA shield that is the Goliath in favor of a flying unit that's now susceptible to Corruptors and Phoenixes?

Mobility. Kinda hard to kill those air units when they just fly out of range.

[SpiderBrigade]

Mobility. Kinda hard to kill those air units when they just fly out of range.

Goliaths never had this problem though. The thing is, air units are only important if they can attack your buildings/ground troops - all Air-to-Air specialists exist only to stop the enemy air units from attacking your buildings/ground troops (with a few exceptions like overlord/transport hunting of course). If Goliaths or Vikings can make air units run away, it doesn't matter if you kill them or not, they are doing their job of nullifying the enemy air force.

[FlashWar]

There are a lot of units for Terran that all play very similar roles!

For example, you have your Marine, Reaper, Marauder and Ghost. Too much infantry, all playing similar roles. And these roles also overlap with the Hellion, Viking and Banshee. The roles do not seem as clear cut as they did in SC1.

Now with the THOR, where do I start? The Viking could potentially play the same role as the Goliath. So that covers the role of anti air, which as I understand it is what the THOR is supposed to be doing. The Viking just does a much better job at it because it's not slow and it has mobility, being able to fly.

[Kimera757]

There are a lot of units for Terran that all play very similar roles!

For example, you have your Marine, Reaper, Marauder and Ghost. Too much infantry, all playing similar roles. And these roles also overlap with the Hellion, Viking and Banshee. The roles do not seem as clear cut as they did in SC1.

Now with the THOR, where do I start? The Viking could potentially play the same role as the Goliath. So that covers the role of anti air, which as I understand it is what the THOR is supposed to be doing. The Viking just does a much better job at it because it's not slow and it has mobility, being able to fly.

So the real reason people hate the thor is they don't understand there's more than one air to air role, it seems. (And it's interesting people don't understand the different infantry roles, either.)

[TheEconomist]

The Terran Siege Tank is completely different than the Anti air Siege tank would be... A completely different unit, not an upgrade for the tank, and not a replacement for it.

Then what's the point? Why not just alter the Thor (which is pretty bad ass as far as aesthetics.) until it's something more useful?

Can't say I like the OP's idea. I don't want to have 2 units functioning almost the same IE: Both tanks having a siege mode. SC is known for its very distinct units.

Also, this.

QFT

[The_Blade]

For everyone thinking that the thor is a bad ass unit that rapes everything...

Plz look for more infromation. Currently the thor rapes ground ARMORED not air nor masses of small units. It size is stupid. the makes massing nearly impossible to deal with air attacks.

Now i have seen ppl complaining that a dedicated terran anti air would mess up the game because the enemy wont be able to kill you?

so you have the idea that the terrans should be bulnerable to air?
thats stupid every race should suport counters for nearly every situation but its up to the mind of the player to deside what technic they are going to use.

the viking is a gtg and a ata, and losses firepower due to movility
terrans need a gta to defend themselves agains air units
currently the thor cant kill capital ship nor kill small air units cost-effective.

I have been working on a project (terran missile luncher, ¿Name?):

I can show u a preview if u like

[Santrega]

At this point, I think we need to see it in a real game-time situation... Do you guys think it would be too much to ask for a quick 60 second video of some thors in action against all kinds of air? Just to see how it stands up in the current build...

[TheEconomist]

Now granted I think the 'being built on the field' was a much cooler idea than making it the third factory unit.

I miss this as well. It was one of the major things I liked about it that distinguished it from a Tank and made it more unique.

rankly, I think we should petition Blizzard to show us demonstrations of the current unit being effective in a real game, or they need to go back to the drawing board with it.

With the beta so close I think this would be unnecessary. By the time Blizzard reacted and made a video, it would be beta time. I think we should just wait for Thor demonstrations then. It's not like the beta is a bad time to change things around. It's actually probably the best time for feedback from the community to make change.

So the real reason people hate the thor is they don't understand there's more than one air to air role, it seems. (And it's interesting people don't understand the different infantry roles, either.)

This seems quite accurate for a lot of people.

[Pandonetho]

There are a lot of units for Terran that all play very similar roles!

For example, you have your Marine, Reaper, Marauder and Ghost. Too much infantry, all playing similar roles. And these roles also overlap with the Hellion, Viking and Banshee. The roles do not seem as clear cut as they did in SC1.

What are you, a troll, or just misinformed?

Marine is the generalist unit, it can stim and its good when massed.
Marauders are your anti-armoured infantry, they kill tanks and colossi and roaches, units that could easily kill marines
The Reaper jumps Terrain, and is a hit and run type of unit with D8 Charges for ambushes.
And the Ghost is completely different from any of the aforementioned.

i fail to see how you think any of them are too similar in roles.

[TheEconomist]

Thank you, Pandonetho. I was just about to have to type that up as well but you saved me the time