Thor - 250mm Strike Cannons against Immortals

[Maxa]

This is a good example of why exchanges like these are ridiculous. It's like listening to Dick Cheney try to explain why waterboarding isn't actually torture.

[pure.Wasted]

I'm glad you weren't hired as blizzards visual director. You're suggesting those six gigantic canons with barrels the size of your face shoot bullets?

I'm suggesting... the Thor not have six gigantic cannons if his attack, using them, is more akin to machine gun fire?

Their is a rule here. That abilities do not do physical damage, but special damage.

Wait a second. So you're telling me that the Thor isn't actually hitting the Immortal with 10 10dmg attacks, it's hitting with 5 20 dmg ones?

Then I'm sorry, but this "rule" is what I have a problem with. Maybe it makes sense on weird magical mumbo-jumbo, but when standard common sense doesn't apply to the Thor's bigger cannons because you have to press a button different from A to get him to attack with THEM... that's just nonsense.

Cannons are cannons. This isn't psionic mental damage, this isn't laserguns pewpew, this is big bullets. They're not magic. They don't get to bypass the Immortal's shield justcuz.

(Well, obviously Blizz says they do, but to that I say that's stupid.)

....like the laws of themodynamics...?

Either that or the immortals energy sheild is powered by something which contains the power of 10 nuclear explosions and is able to maintain it indefintely. k.

Do the laws of thermodynamics explain how a Marine's attack is unaffected by the Immortal's shields but the Thor's isn't? I'm admittedly ignorant of physics and chemistry, but I'm still PRETTY SURE that's not covered.

A word concerning hardened shield and why it doesnt block everything considering it block tank bullet. First, the marine bullet doesn't flow trough the shield freely, the shield absorb it. Second, the hardened shield is a spherical net who take the energy of the attack to harden itself, like corn-starch and water (lol). So the harder you hit, the harder the shield is, hence the constant damage.

That makes some sense. But where does the magical number 10 come from?

Anyhow if that were the case, Nukes would definitely be brought down to 10.

[KadajSouba]

Nets work the same way. The little fish that aren't worth picking up get through, while the big fish get caught.

You just reallly love to discuss for the sake of discussion right???? How do you compare a fishing net mechanic to a protective shield???? Dear Lord... Tell the army they got it all wrong... Put fishing nets on the tanks instead of heavy IMPENETRABLE steel.

[newcomplex]

This is an usefull rule, but it is really lame lorewise. There is no special attack, only kind of attacks. Certain kind of attack trigger the shield certain not, there is no special freebee. Including a special attack type is like giving up to make the game agree with the lore, and it is pretty lame from blizz.

Their are special attacks. Special attacks are special. As in different from normal attacks. Terran normal attacks employ fast moving pieces of metal and explosions. Special attacks involve nuclear explosions and REALLY REALLY FAST and BIG pieces of metal.

No, in all seriousness, their are special attacks, attacks that operate through unconventional means, or are different from the races standard attacks in some fundamental fashion.

You just reallly love to discuss for the sake of discussion right???? How do you compare a fishing net mechanic to a protective shield???? Dear Lord... Tell the army they got it all wrong... Put fishing nets on the tanks instead of heavy IMPENETRABLE steel.

energy nets.

kinda like how zerg shoot little worms at people and fragments of their lower spinal cord.

calm down bro.

I'm suggesting... the Thor not have six gigantic cannons if his attack, using them, is more akin to machine gun fire?

Machine guns do not cause visible explosions, nor do they level giant fortified bunkers and cliff faces within a couple seconds.

Then I'm sorry, but this "rule" is what I have a problem with. Maybe it makes sense on weird magical mumbo-jumbo, but when standard common sense doesn't apply to the Thor's bigger cannons because you have to press a button different from A to get him to attack with THEM... that's just nonsense.

In the thors case it wouldn't even matter if they were reduced as the immortal would still die to to frequency of fire.

Nuclear explosions however, are certainly "special" and distinct from traditional munitions.

Do the laws of thermodynamics explain how a Marine's attack is unaffected by the Immortal's shields but the Thor's isn't? I'm admittedly ignorant of physics and chemistry, but I'm still PRETTY SURE that's not covered.

The laws of thermodynamics don't prevent the marine fire from bypassing immortal sheilds.

[Bergs]

Honestly, this seems a bit excessive... Gameplay>Lore.

Just Feedback the thor if its such an issue.

[Gt2slurp]

This discussion has really gone too far in the physics/thermodynamic way lol. In a game, you adjust lore to gameplay, not the gameplay to the lore.

And feedbacking the thor is really a good idea, much more efficient than storming it + you don't kill your zealot in the process.

[KadajSouba]

energy nets.

kinda like how zerg shoot little worms at people and fragments of their lower spinal cord.

calm down bro.

Yes exactly like that. Shotting worms at people. How couldnt it come up with that huh...

[whitefire]

Has anyone ever thought of the fact that a shield can only take so much before it goes down. The hardened shield is no exception to this. The yamato for example deals more damage for the shield to bear so it collapses and full damage is dealt. the Thors 250mm cannon probably dose the same thing. Several fast explosive attacks overwhelm the hardened shield and it dosnt activate thus resulting in death of the immortal. It make sence to think that the shield just isnt strong enough to block the big attacks like a nuke or a yamato. It like the net the little fish get though the big fish get caught and the huge fish destroy the net.

[TheRabidDeer]

Has anyone ever thought of the fact that a shield can only take so much before it goes down. The hardened shield is no exception to this. The yamato for example deals more damage for the shield to bear so it collapses and full damage is dealt. the Thors 250mm cannon probably dose the same thing. Several fast explosive attacks overwhelm the hardened shield and it dosnt activate thus resulting in death of the immortal. It make sence to think that the shield just isnt strong enough to block the big attacks like a nuke or a yamato. It like the net the little fish get though the big fish get caught and the huge fish destroy the net.

Logical reasoning? In MY thread? What is this blasphemy?

[pure.Wasted]

Several fast explosive attacks overwhelm the hardened shield and it dosnt activate thus resulting in death of the immortal. It make sence to think that the shield just isnt strong enough to block the big attacks like a nuke or a yamato. It like the net the little fish get though the big fish get caught and the huge fish destroy the net.

So what you're suggesting is essentially that the shields short-circuit.

Then why don't they do that when I ask two Thors to regularly attack one Immortal at the same time? Why doesn't that happen when I ask three Thors to regularly attack an Immortal at the same time?

Don't worry TRD, I've taken care of it.