Multiplayer Etiquette

[TWD]

Thanks.

You're welcome!
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[Josue]

This thread disappointed me; the title showed more, but it is just tactless and rage talking.

It's good to express what should noobs do, but anger talking doesn't solve anything. In act, it makes you look ridiculous.

You could have expressed the idea in a different way. For example:

Don't Talk could be said like:

It is always part of formality in players to say gl hf (good luck, have fun) at the beginning of a match and gg (good game) at the ending. People who do this are often considered normal players or even if you get defeated hardly and still congratulate the other one is considered to be a good player/loser.

Also, don't talk more than the necessary during a match because you can make your teammate get distracted and this frustrates him/her. Restrict to saying important things and team strategy. Use the pre-match lobby or aftermath for more casual talking, instead.

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Well done Arkalis, that would have been a better way to say everything. polite and cautious.

Where is there any rage/anger talking? He was definitely direct, but not calling out anybody, or going off on wild personal tangents. Its good advice - thats it. Take it or leave it.

Again, shoe=fits

It's not strange that even subtle some people can still sense the rage.
Even if TWD was saying the most correct thing in the universe, I would still call it merciless and ruthless due to the way he said those things.

You aren't that good.
Don't talk.
Don't waste my time.
Winning is winning.

If anyone told me things that way I would just do the opposite just to piss him/her off even more than he/she already is! (I mean saying things that way is counterproductive!)
If anyone told me things the way Arkalis pointed out, I would take them as friend's words and follow them.

All this just makes me conclude that TWD must have been really pissed off when he wrote those lines. However I think it's always better to turn the other cheek yet it is quite hard to do for anyone.

[KadajSouba]

I always thought glhf was "good luck high five".. and theres always that *clap* sound in my head when I read it.

Omg. You stole a smile out of my face. Awesome

[horror]

Yeah I have, but that doesn't warrant that part of the post - and besides matchmaking is pretty bad right now, but thats not the point! What kinda guide tells your that your not good at the start.

Umm... all of them?

After the match? Like after they leave? Theres plenty of time to talk to someone during a match - and if they arent the talktive type you just dont spam then. If there talking to nothing then there just being a ass

A game goes for 15 minutes. Life goes on for ages. Why waste time ingame? People don't get crazy APMs like 200 by talking to that weirdo on the other end. And, TWD was referring to the people that do spam ingame. Stopping the game to say "ZOMG my army" is pretty much spam.

Obviously I wouldn't do that, mostly because its not worth the time

Lmao! There's a lot of people who would.


It's funny how all the people trying to 'console' the OP also agree that talking bullshit in the middle of a game is important.I can totally agree with TWD, and I don't see why there are so many against it. If I was a dickhead, that post would have just made me stop.

[Todie]

its important to respect those that dont want to talk at all during the game. but if i lose, and call my loss ("gg"), i normally get a little bit pissed if my opponent doesnt even respond to friendly comments / questions about the game.

[Gifted]

While TWD said a few points that are good, it's important to note that he's more or less giving this "personal wisdom" from him as TWD, not as a StarCraft: Legacy staff member. The reason I make this point is that I stand on different thoughts than him regarding the points. Here's my thoughts:

"You aren't that good."
I can see why he brings this up as there is a lot of people out there who blame the game on facets which are "wrong" instead of taking responsibility of what they did wrong themselves. That's ultimate the origin of this phrase, if I were to rephrase it it would be something like "Some people don't realize their mistakes, and therefore can't learn from them" but that's probably my wall of text side talking.

"Don't talk."
Well, I wouldn't say that people don't want to hear your trash talk as a general rule. Sometimes I rate the trash talk on a scale and find it impressive. However, I think that this is the responsibility of the player to handle, not as a general rule. Personally if I feel he's trying to talk to me for no reason I squelch him. If he's asking legit things I can help with, I answer questions cause it's just a beta. Using TWD's own words... it's because "You have no clue how many opportunities you are missing by being a jerk".

If it were a legit season I wanted to win though, I'd simply say "we'll chat after the game" and squelch them if they didn't get the hint.

"Don't waste my time."
While it's acceptable to gg when you are going to lose, it's also important to remember that sometimes people gg way to early, and therefore the same people may think the game is over when it isn't. I've pulled out a LOT of clutch from behind victories (disclaimer, when I actually try, if you watch my streams you know what I mean) when others said gg about 10-20 minutes earlier. The moment I _KNOW_ I can't come back from it, I will gg.

(Note, I have stayed late twice in beta to spite someone, but man, they were an absolute jerk (such as calling me a Ni**** in response to "gg") and I even said "it's all good man, say gg and I'll leave" So I was always good enough to give them the option of taking the 'right path'.

"Winning is winning."
Agreed, typically if I get cheesed I say things like "Well, I got screwed because he played cheese and I wasn't prepared for it." The important point is "I wasn't prepared for it" not the "I got cheesed". So I'd agree with this point.

"Trolling gets you nowhere."
Well, as much as I don't like to admit it, it gets them cheap laughs. This will be reduced though as it's easily reportable now and infractions hit your account harder than before. But yeah, good point none-the-less.

[TWD]

While TWD said a few points that are good, it's important to note that he's more or less giving this "personal wisdom" from him as TWD, not as a StarCraft: Legacy staff member.

Gifted is right. If I have something that I think should be SCL content I pass it on to the content staff. I really just wanted to share my thoughts on the issue. It was never intended to be some sort of official guide.

Also I promise I'm a nice person. If you don't believe me then hit me up and play with me. I didn't post this out of frustration or anger. Maybe it's blunt, but that's the only language these people with problems understand. Such individuals get away with what they do by always trying to push the line. The only way you can fight it is by being immovable.

Also I agree with most of you about the talking thing. If you run into someone that is nice then by all means talk to them. However, when someone starts trash talking I never respond. If it's not something nice and friendly it's better to just play silently. My comments simply assumed that what you had to say wasn't nice.
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[Arkalis]

So to be more productive and help everyone out let's rewrite the rules:

There is always a better player than you.

Hidden Content:

Like in all things of life, there is always someone above you and below you. So if you get frustrated because you keep losing to someone, remember there are other players that you can win them. The matchmaking system is pretty accurate, so you can be sure almost all your opponents will be one step above or below you.

Talking can kill you.

Hidden Content:

It is always part of formality in players to say gl hf (good luck, have fun) at the beginning of a match and gg (good game) at the ending. People who do this are often considered normal players or even if you get defeated hardly and still congratulate the other one is considered to be a good player/loser.

Also, don't talk more than the necessary during a match because you can make your teammate get distracted and this frustrates him/her. Restrict to saying important things and team strategy. Use the pre-match lobby or aftermath for more casual talking, instead.

...and you still procrastinate?

Hidden Content:

It is really annoying when you are losing a match to delay the "gg" and do tricks to keep it alive. It's good when you can do a comeback but if you are with 1% chance of success (you have 1 CC and 20 minerals) just surrender nicely, say "gg", leave the game and review to see what you did wrong.

Just think that this could happen to you when you are to defeat someone.

Accept your defeat.

Hidden Content:

Starcraft II is just a game (albeit one of the best). If you lost to X reason, just be nice and leave the game. If you are too mad at your opponent because he did X, just don't talk at all and quit. Making a scandal makes you look inmature and the defeat is already on, so you can't change anything.

Don't troll please.

Hidden Content:

Trolling (random and meaningless talking) can be annoying to most players. Some random jokes are always healthy but don't go into excess. If you see your teammate or opponent just doesn't reply to your talk, just leave him. Maybe he is AFK (away from keyboard) or busy doing X.

[TargetBlue]

Mm, interesting thread. But man stay out of WoW thats all I gotta say...one of the things I like about taking on SC players and interacting with people when playing SC MP.

[Josue]

So to be more productive and help everyone out let's rewrite the rules:

There is always a better player than you.

Hidden Content:

Like in all things of life, there is always someone above you and below you. So if you get frustrated because you keep losing to someone, remember there are other players that you can win them. The matchmaking system is pretty accurate, so you can be sure almost all your opponents will be one step above or below you.

Talking can kill you.

Hidden Content:

It is always part of formality in players to say gl hf (good luck, have fun) at the beginning of a match and gg (good game) at the ending. People who do this are often considered normal players or even if you get defeated hardly and still congratulate the other one is considered to be a good player/loser.

Also, don't talk more than the necessary during a match because you can make your teammate get distracted and this frustrates him/her. Restrict to saying important things and team strategy. Use the pre-match lobby or aftermath for more casual talking, instead.

...and you still procrastinate?

Hidden Content:

It is really annoying when you are losing a match to delay the "gg" and do tricks to keep it alive. It's good when you can do a comeback but if you are with 1% chance of success (you have 1 CC and 20 minerals) just surrender nicely, say "gg", leave the game and review to see what you did wrong.

Just think that this could happen to you when you are to defeat someone.

Accept your defeat.

Hidden Content:

Starcraft II is just a game (albeit one of the best). If you lost to X reason, just be nice and leave the game. If you are too mad at your opponent because he did X, just don't talk at all and quit. Making a scandal makes you look inmature and the defeat is already on, so you can't change anything.

Don't troll please.

Hidden Content:

Trolling (random and meaningless talking) can be annoying to most players. Some random jokes are always healthy but don't go into excess. If you see your teammate or opponent just doesn't reply to your talk, just leave him. Maybe he is AFK (away from keyboard) or busy doing X.

Well done, man, this is the way it should have been stated: polite and friendly.
In fact, if I were playing SC2 those are the rules I would follow.