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    Default How to defeat the Zerg

    I've been playing as Zerg a lot, and I see a lot of players struggle in this matchup. The difference between me winning and losing seems to hinge upon my opponent understanding one simple concept. I believe that this is one of the major factors behind why so many players (Protoss in particular) have trouble playing against Zerg players.

    You cannot beat the Zerg with macro alone. They build more units, can expand more easily, and have good map control with overlords and creep tumors. The macro game is their biggest advantage, and you can't let yourself play into it.

    For instance I often find that my opponent is terrified of coming out of their base after being 10 pool rushed. They decide it's best to tech up and mass a few units before venturing out. By the time they are done teching the Zerg already has too many units to handle. Other times I see players recklessly expand across the map as fast as possible. The Zerg player is able to quickly see these movements and take them out. You spend all of your minerals on expansions, and again find yourself against a mass of Zerg units you simply cannot defeat. The problem is even visible when the expansion story seems to be equal on both sides. Players seem to believe that they just have to have enough unit producing buildings and they can mass a large army that will win. Others think that it's just about having the right unit mix. What they fail to realize is how easy it is for the Zerg player to match you. They can summon an entire army of units with a few clicks, and it requires almost no effort on their part in order to do so.

    So how do you win? It's true that you have to get some sort of unit advantage on them somehow. The key is realizing that you have to create that opportunity. In every instance assume that they can click just as fast as you can. In this matchup you can't just outproduce your way to victory. You have to engage your opponent in the right places in order to create that advantage. In other words, you have to play with a strategic mind. You must do everything in your power to make sure the fight happens where you want it. Always place your units in the place that has the best chance to give yourself an economic or unit number advantage.

    If you pressure the Zerg in this way they can never take advantage of their superior macro. Use your race's unique abilities to create the opening. In this way it's not so much creating a macro advantage for yourself as it is creating a disadvantage for your opponent. The Zerg player will be forced into situations where it has to waste units and send them to the slaughterhouse. You'll have stronger units, and a wider array of tactics at your disposal. Things will just start to snowball. At this point their macro advantage is completely nullified and it's easy to take on their forces. They're never able to create a large enough force, and their units just splash against yours.
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    Last edited by TWD; 09-14-2011 at 09:09 PM.

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    Default Re: How to defeat the Zerg

    I'm a Zerg player, and because of that, I probably feel that it's easy for Zerg to be defeated .

    I actually am scared on just about every map . I feel so claustrophobic! All the maps are like a chokepoint-fest which feels like it really hurts Zerg because it's difficult to get a nice arc around the more ball-like Protoss and Terran armies.

    It feels like the only way you can win as Zerg is to keep being aggressive to prevent the enemy from building up, because I don't think Zerg can win in a straight-up fight against either T or P once they reach a certain mass of units. That may be the way it was in SC1 as well, but the choke-heavy map designs don't help :P.

    Another tip for non-Zerg players is to not feel too intimidated by Zerg having early map control. Terrans can really power down a greedy Zerg just off a single base because of MULEs. You may burn through the resources in your main really fast, but you have the potential to cripple or outright destroy the Zerg with the power of your Marauders and Marines.

    Even on just a single expansion, I think that Protoss can very effectively bust out of their base with a powerful force. I see this (and have been on the receiving end >_<) quite a few times. Sometimes, the Zerg will get comfortable having 'contained' the Protoss and tries to secure an advantage by teching/expanding, and then the Protoss busts out with a force that the Zerg can't stop quickly enough.

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    Default Re: How to defeat the Zerg

    Quote Originally Posted by GRUNT View Post
    I'm a Zerg player, and because of that, I probably feel that it's easy for Zerg to be defeated .

    I actually am scared on just about every map . I feel so claustrophobic! All the maps are like a chokepoint-fest which feels like it really hurts Zerg because it's difficult to get a nice arc around the more ball-like Protoss and Terran armies.

    It feels like the only way you can win as Zerg is to keep being aggressive to prevent the enemy from building up, because I don't think Zerg can win in a straight-up fight against either T or P once they reach a certain mass of units. That may be the way it was in SC1 as well, but the choke-heavy map designs don't help :P.

    Another tip for non-Zerg players is to not feel too intimidated by Zerg having early map control. Terrans can really power down a greedy Zerg just off a single base because of MULEs. You may burn through the resources in your main really fast, but you have the potential to cripple or outright destroy the Zerg with the power of your Marauders and Marines.

    Even on just a single expansion, I think that Protoss can very effectively bust out of their base with a powerful force. I see this (and have been on the receiving end >_<) quite a few times. Sometimes, the Zerg will get comfortable having 'contained' the Protoss and tries to secure an advantage by teching/expanding, and then the Protoss busts out with a force that the Zerg can't stop quickly enough.
    Indeed. One way to hurt the Zerg is by denying them the natural. Force the zerg to use up his larva and one base on units.

    I understand Terran cannot get a sizable force before 5 mins, and protoss can only do so much at 4. But strike at the 7th minute, that is the most vulnerable time for zergs doing 10 pool, and heavy econ.

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    Default Re: How to defeat the Zerg

    i find that zerg players have this really really big fear of a planetary fortress and a 6 man bunker.


    but really, to beat the zerg you have to produce units that will maximize their casualties in every battle whenever they win or lose. this applies to every race of course but so much more to vs zerg matchups. like the OP said, you cant match the zerg in unit for unit macro for macro game unless your leaps and bounds better than them. things like raven auto turrets, seeker missiles and maybe siege tanks do this well.

    i also keep a constant harrasment going. zergs have a hard time against things like banshee rush.

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    Default Re: How to defeat the Zerg

    Step on them.

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    Default Re: How to defeat the Zerg

    Quote Originally Posted by demolitionsquid View Post
    step on them.
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