The Zerg Players thread

[Hammy]

wtf that's friggin hilarious : ) Nice catch!

[MulletBen]

How does I ZvZ guys?

I'm looking for a safe build, if that's possible, that doesn't confine me to 1 base. Does it exist?

[GnaReffotsirk]

How does I ZvZ guys?

I'm looking for a safe build, if that's possible, that doesn't confine me to 1 base. Does it exist?

Only if Opp goes roach. Sacrifice a few drones to progressively add spines, as you keep droning, then strike some speedlings into his base to kill some drones, bring his roaches back, or kill some queens.

Also, if map allows, 14 pool, 16 hatch the choke and spine it, then go muta, then expand. It's a pseudo 1-base, but can work.

Against massed speedlings and continuous speedlings, banes, then roach, then expand.

It's risky but can work. 14 hatch or other strats for T and P cannot be applied vs Z as far as I know.

[MulletBen]

Only if Opp goes roach.
It's risky but can work.

This is exactly what I DON'T want.

I don't really want something fast expand oriented, just an opening that lets me hold off against banelings+zerglings and doesn't confine me to one base for the entire game.

[GnaReffotsirk]

This is exactly what I DON'T want.

I don't really want something fast expand oriented, just an opening that lets me hold off against banelings+zerglings and doesn't confine me to one base for the entire game.

Oh, I thought you we were talking about getting two bases. Now, I'm not actually sure what you are looking for.

Maybe this one:

Block your ramp with two queens. It still requires FE though. Or,...

If you're looking for a one-base contain, intercept his lings with your lings, while you roach and choke block him. Then slowly reinforce at his choke while he sends wave after wave of lings banelings. Opp will waste a lot of time and resource while you are then ready to block your choke with roaches until you have enough roaches to push out, and still have some blocking your choke against a run by.

[spychi]

hi fellow Zerg

i got this one guy that could use help against toss his skills to contain are good and he was actually the first zerg player that was trouble for me to destroy
after the game that I won (replay: Attachment 1634) I asked him to wait and let me explain

(you - me spychi, him Zerg - it's his nick actually)

You: dude wait
zerg has reconnected.
You: don't block or anything
you made one mistake and you could win
early go bane push
zerg: i was soooooo far a head all the time.. but the lack of decent units fucked me as always
You: when you saw that i didn't have much zealots you could win by making bane
zerg: banelings suck ass vs stalkers
and 1 colosus kills 50 banelings in 2 shots
You: i didn't had banelings
i mean
i didn't had stalkers early
zerg: still 5 bases maxed army should have a chance vs 2 base army
You: i would be fucked if you tried to go to my main and destroy my nexus
zerg: nothing i can do vs 6 towers
You: i had actually 3 mining
but zerg are unforgivful
if you make one mistake than gg
what you should do is get either infestors or ultralisks
you could afford that
zerg: y.. i should start playing protoss or terran i know.. but i like zerg
You: please don't go terran
waste of skill
it's just retards who stick with one bioball and nothing else
while i prefere mixing strats
zerg: i should have made ultralisks.. but i was so sure to win since i had 200/200 and upgrades and had won every battle etc
You: oh and no zerg actually won against me in the past 50 games
zerg: ive lost the last 10 games vs prtooss kinda
You: i had ups as well +2 to everything
i would suggest since most protoss go phoenixes early banes
really that is gg for protoss early
or make roaches
zerg: but most protoss just go mass stalkers and press attack mode and go afk
You: lol no at least not me, i prefere more zealots lol
but anyway make early bane mixed with zerglings
zerg: will try that
thanks gg
You: after he got first stalker stop making themn
gg
if you want decent strategies and you know english i know a guy who is a pro zerg
zerg: i gotta start watching some replays
dont wanna bother ur friends
You: Hammy and Todie from SC:Legacy well that is actually two guys
zerg: thanks for the tips though
You: no no no
sclegacy.com/forums go to the strategy section
Zerg thread and ask for help
in no time you will be better
thanks for the game

he might get his account working here and ask for help
Hammy and Todie I would ask you guys for help with this guy

[evillesh]

I suggest contacting Gabbek as well since he's becoming insanely good in macro games and just outexpanding opponents. He's a bit slacky and haven't activated his SCL account yet though.

[Todie]

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if you want decent strategies and you know english i know a guy who is a pro zerg
zerg: i gotta start watching some replays
dont wanna bother ur friends
You: Hammy and Todie from SC:Legacy well that is actually two guys

i like how you referr to us as pro lol.

anyway, judging by the chat i wouldnt expect him to make an account here. he was jsut being polite, thanking for advice.

tbh though, that wasnt the best advice; the response to cannons at ramp is not to go all in with banes in an attempt to bust it. thats near suicide (hello forcefield block?) and banes are of quite limited use later on.

to be short, he needed to scale up econ faster earlygame, or delay your expansion with roaches (& mb ligns) ... since youd tied minerals in 3-4 canons early, that wouldnt have been hard.

later, more air units woulda been the easy fix for him; you were low on stalekrs all game (witch i guess, makes sense against hydra-heavy play) roaches infront of hdyras to take zeaot hits would also have helped.

[GGsmung]

Has anyone here tried going the +1 armor carapace upgrade fast vs bane/ling in ZvZ?
Cause banelings deal 35 dmg vs light so it allows your lings to survive from one baneling blast. So u can kill 2 banes with one ling (with proper micro).

[Hammy]

Hmm that's pretty interesting, especially when trying to snipe blings when they're running around without any assist. Then I guess it all comes down to timing because that 150gas could be used for 6 blings... which is huge :/