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Thread: Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

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    Default Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

    I was playing someone in a 1v1 game today and believe I was the victim of a terribly imbalanced Terran cheese strategy. I'd like to describe it here int he hopes that someone can comment on it, as to whether it truly an imbalance.

    Short summary:

    Terran rushes with 2 barracks outside my base. I spot it. He sends marines + most of his workers. I fend him off, but we both lose units and workers while fighting inside my base. He wins because he can call down MULEs to gather minerals when both our workers numbers have been decimated.

    Longer version:

    A 1v1 game.
    Me: Protoss
    Him: Terran

    Him: He builds 1 depot in his main right away, then takes that SCV outside of my base and builds 1 barracks. He sends another SCV to arrive while the first barracks is half done and uses it to build a 2nd barrack.

    Me: I spot no barracks inside his base with my probe. I immediately move my probe back to the destructible rocks entrance at the rear of my base. I spot the 1st barrack being started and another of his SCVs on the way. I had 1 gateway already warping in. I assumed he was going to cheese with another barrack and made a 2nd gateway to keep up. I started chrono boosting my gateway to make my first zealot and make a cannon next to my nexus.

    Him: He upgrades his command center to orbital command and sends all but 3 SCVs to rush me, along with his marines. He uses call down MULE to continue to make money, while pumping marines and moves in all his SCVs and marines (which he continually pumps) to attack my probes and block off my zealots.

    Me: I make as many zealots as I can, chrono boost my gateways, make as many zealots as I can, and try to fight him with my zealots and probes.

    We both lose fighting units and workers, and I manage to fend him off, killing his marines and SCVs, but my economy is ruined. I cannot get extra minerals to build up more zealots, but he can use call down MULE to keep his economy going (even when he lost most all his SCVs). In the end I lose.

    What I expect:

    Some way to fend this off.

    Suggestions:

    I don't know, maybe static base defenses should be stronger? I don't even know if it would help. He would just do the same thing except outside the perimeter of my canon.

    What do you think?

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    Edited for stupidity.
    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7699/commun1.png

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    Default Re: Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

    First: I disagree

    Scond: This is in the wrong Forum, must go on Strategy

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    Make canons. Or block of choke with 2 sentries and tech while he has no minerals.

    That being said its still kind of imbalanced against protoss, certain maps don't have a blockable choke and going forge puts you at a eco disadvantage. Half of the of maps will let you come back from the disadvantage because of an easy expo or tech advantage, but another good portion of them gimp you pretty hard. Scrap station for example.

    That being said, I don't understand why hes making them outside your base. Most forms of this cheese simply involve him making them in his own after walling off his choke. As the below poster suggests, just kill his SCV, the deadlier variations of this are inside his own base.
    Last edited by newcomplex; 03-21-2010 at 06:44 PM.

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    Go kill the SCVs building the barracks. Not rocket science.

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    Moved to the strategy forum.

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    Default Re: Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hav0x View Post
    Go kill the SCVs building the barracks. Not rocket science.
    1) it is now very hard to target a SCV building a large struct in SC2. the SCV is mostly inside the structure (where it can't be targeted) instead of on the outside. see http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...=5000&pageNo=1

    2) he sent all but 3 of his SCVs to rush me. he can finish his barrack with those SCVs while using MULE plus a few SCVs left in back in his base for money.

    3) if i take my probes off my mineral line, i can't make zealots while he can make marines once his SCV rush make it to his barracks location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sysrpl View Post
    1) it is now very hard to target a SCV building a large struct in SC2. the SCV is mostly inside the structure (where it can't be targeted) instead of on the outside. see http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...=5000&pageNo=1

    2) he sent all but 3 of his SCVs to rush me. he can finish his barrack with those SCVs while using MULE plus a few SCVs left in back in his base for money.

    3) if i take my probes off my mineral line, i can't make zealots while he can make marines once his SCV rush make it to his barracks location.
    I've been able to target them perfectly fine. And if he is only using a mule to mine it is only equal to about 5 SCVs mining so its not like he is getting tons and tons of minerals.

    Not to mention he needs that first barracks completed for him to go Orbital Command and even when he has that first one complete he still needs 150 minerals to complete it.

    IMO its completely stoppable. Post your replay and maybe we can give you some tips on what you could do to stop it.

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    Default Re: Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

    most ppl talk like as if this is rlly easy to defend
    well those ppl will learn how to be quiet when they get owned and get it tried on themselves cuz it's ridiculously imbalanced
    AND
    ppl say u can go forge first to defend
    well guess what
    1. going forge first or even building forge early game against terran is already being at huge tech disadvantage
    2. when they see the forge, they can just simply expand while u waste your precious minerals on forge and cannons
    so those ppl who talk like "oh stop complaining u loser it's so easy to block" should reconsider or try to defend it themselves
    then they'll learn how to be quiet and start sending some feedback to blizzard to fix this imbalance

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    Default Re: Terran Imbalanced Cheese Strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hav0x View Post
    I've been able to target them perfectly fine. And if he is only using a mule to mine it is only equal to about 5 SCVs mining so its not like he is getting tons and tons of minerals.

    Not to mention he needs that first barracks completed for him to go Orbital Command and even when he has that first one complete he still needs 150 minerals to complete it.

    IMO its completely stoppable. Post your replay and maybe we can give you some tips on what you could do to stop it.
    Here is a replay link:

    http://imagebot.org/replays/marines-rush.SC2Replay

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