I'm Sick & Tired Of MutaRoach!

[Operatoring]

DS - I can't beat this.
People - Try this.
DS - I tried it, it doesn't work.
People - Post a replay, that will help us figure out why you are losing.
DS - I don't need to post a replay! If it is possible, I have tried it!
People - So you are claiming the strat is OP in the guise of asking for help?
DS - Thanks Gifted. You answered a question that was answered earlier by someone else but I'll give credit to you.

[Todie]

Alteran, does that really work as well against Roaches? cuz i'd imagine their high armor making sentries less efficient: you'd really relly heavily onforcefield vs them.

i guess hydras are good vs this: less suseptible to FF due to range...

zergs best friend vs charge'lots is infestor. FI stops em dead,esp if yo have ranged to pick em off with. burrowable roach migh do it, that and / or hydra / crawler

anyway, i'd expect at the very least, some mixed in stalkers to be worthwhile vs roach-heavy opponents

EDIT: here's a high-end game where pure zealot/sentry
http://himan.pl/index.php?a=details&id=151

iirc he did get a robo bay though, without usign it? that may be a useful fient at times, but may have cost him this game? - or it may have been decided by the harassment anyway.

[RamiZ]

DS - I can't beat this.
People - Try this.
DS - I tried it, it doesn't work.
People - Post a replay, that will help us figure out why you are losing.
DS - I don't need to post a replay! If it is possible, I have tried it!
People - So you are claiming the strat is OP in the guise of asking for help?
DS - Thanks Gifted. You answered a question that was answered earlier by someone else but I'll give credit to you.

LOL! True. XD

[DemolitionSquid]

Whatever. I'm gonna stick to attacking the Z before he attacks me and prioritize taking out his Warren and Spire.

[Alterran]

Alteran, does that really work as well against Roaches? cuz i'd imagine their high armor making sentries less efficient: you'd really relly heavily onforcefield vs them.

i guess hydras are good vs this: less suseptible to FF due to range...

zergs best friend vs charge'lots is infestor. FI stops em dead,esp if yo have ranged to pick em off with. burrowable roach migh do it, that and / or hydra / crawler

anyway, i'd expect at the very least, some mixed in stalkers to be worthwhile vs roach-heavy opponents

EDIT: here's a high-end game where pure zealot/sentry
http://himan.pl/index.php?a=details&id=151

iirc he did get a robo bay though, without usign it? that may be a useful fient at times, but may have cost him this game? - or it may have been decided by the harassment anyway.

Im just at the gold level playing, its only been 4 days since i got beta so im still learning to effectively back off with zealots when i block with FF on roaches. If this works for me, i imagine a skilled player thats really has a good micro(mine sucks) could pwn roaches.

I dont recommend going immortal.
And even if he dont go muta when he sees ur immortals, he will go hydra/lings, after first battle, and ur immortals will be wasted cash. Zealots get new life with the charge upgrade and will be effective against all but banelings, and if he makes banelings im quiet happy hes focusing his gas on that, u should be able to avoid banelings with FF if u got 4~ sentries anyhow.
Obviously you mix in more stalkers and sentries than in my last build if u notice its going to be effective =)

Important to try is that you create a choke and try to lure a bit of his army inside so you can take that down.

I have a game here with an example vs roaches/zerglings that then switch to hydra and zerglings. But as you can see im not really a good player yet, give me a few days and ill be able to kill that roach army without losing so much units =)




Edit: by the way, that game u showed just explains exactly why u should not go for that early robotics. I go for more sentries instead and since its cheap in minerals i can expand if i notice hes expanding. At 6 min, this player had 4 zealots and 1 sentrie?

I normaly have an expansion, 3 zealots, 2 sentries, and two more sentries on the way that i could boost, and i guess i usually have a forge going already. If he goes speedlings like that ur FE has to be canceld i guess, but only for ~1 min untill u get cannons up, with the cash u just recived.

If he really used an entire spawn of larva like that to make lings, his economy should be the same as urs anyhow and no real gain for him.
( i mean, now i got cannons in my main already, his gas can only be effectively used to create roaches or hydra+lings, mutas would be stupid to go when u know ur opponent has cannons already in place. So i basicaly know what hes up to and can go 3 zealots and mass sentries and stalkers while i get my expansion going with 2 cannons.)

His last push with 2x sentries lots of zeals was foolish, they had 1 FF energy each only and he KNEW this player would go something with gas after his speedlings got beaten and he cannoned up, his zealots get raped by anything the zerg makes that costs gas on the creep, really wierd to push without energy to wall off.
The last battle was like, zealots and 2 sentries vs equal amount of roaches. Then it came down to 5 sentries and 3 zealots vs many more roaches when he ran back to his base and lost zealots while running. Obv that battle was anything but equal in forces and he had no backup to support his sentries or the energy to wall off the roaches

But imo his loss was directly due to his investment in robotics facility + he built a robotics bay while lings harassed him. Imo going that quick a robotics is like cheesing someone, u might aswell bunker in and get some voidrays, same stuff.

They may be better players than me, but i think i would have won vs that zerg

[Todie]

my analytic mind is kind of overloaded atm; just finished sort of an exam, so all i can say is GG.
and point out that these forcefield-reliant strategies seem to be quite dependant on the enemy (zerg) not taking caring not engaging in unfavourable battles, and - mostly defensively - taking proper care not to get cuagt of of position: your play was awesome, but any type of successful ambush or flanking manoeuvre could have ended quite badly for you.

it will be interesting to see how the metagame around this developes.

finally. REPS + DISCUSSION IS THX

[Hav0x]

DS Here is something you should take a look at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CRf7Ofc-6U

[Pandonetho]

DS Here is something you should take a look at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CRf7Ofc-6U

Too be honest, after watching it a second time (after the awesome effect wore off) you can see that the Zerg player is just an idiot.

He sends his mutas in alone to fight the stalker/sentry army KNOWING his WHOLE Roach force is walled off.

I mean, is it too much to ask that he just walks back a bit with his mutas and roaches and attack after the force fields wear off?

[Hav0x]

Too be honest, after watching it a second time (after the awesome effect wore off) you can see that the Zerg player is just an idiot.

He sends his mutas in alone to fight the stalker/sentry army KNOWING his WHOLE Roach force is walled off.

I mean, is it too much to ask that he just walks back a bit with his mutas and roaches and attack after the force fields wear off?

A lot players just keep trying to fight when they're blocked by force fields. It's quite common.

[LegacyofTerra]

A lot players just keep trying to fight when they're blocked by force fields. It's quite common.

So is idiocy, apparently.