Is this the new macro for protoss?

[Shadow Archon]

Yes it feels like they copy pasted it and tweaked it for protoss. Its a spawn larva comboed with research acceleration. Nice try though.

Spawn larva is associated with a unit though, this new macro is used by the Nexus. The Queen has to be near a Hatchery to use Spawn Larva, while Nexus can seemingly be used on any building instantly.

[Sydarm]

And therefore not copy and pasted.

And regardless of its origin, it's still fundamentally superior to PC. Hell, it's superior to Spawn Larva, due to having built-in decision making.



We don't know that. Or, if you do, please cite a source.

Karune:
The Obelisk is no longer in the game. Instead, the time warp ability which allows a building to produce or research faster for a set duration is now on the Nexus

[rcp181]

The main reason I don't see this as similar to spawn larvae is because I would very rarely expect it to ever be used for faster production.

The wording makes it sound like it only affects one building. How often are you going to sacrifice your economy or tech in order to get an extra unit out of that gateway? It sounds like an "oh shit" button for when you're on the verge of a death. Larvae on the other hand, is pure production.

[Nicol Bolas]

Karune:

Please read the statement I quoted. It said, "TW can be extended to anything in the game which has a timer (research, train, etc)."

Things with timers include more than what Karune stated. Like shield and energy recharge, cooldowns, etc.

The wording makes it sound like it only affects one building. How often are you going to sacrifice your economy or tech in order to get an extra unit out of that gateway?

But you'll be using it consistently. Which means it acts as additional Gateways/Robo Bays/StarGates/etc. Or as research increase. If you need the production from 3 Robo bays, but don't want to spend the money/time on them, then getting 2 and this ability may cover your needs. Plus, you don't have that 3rd Robo sitting there doing nothing if you tech switch later.

[DemolitionSquid]

I think this is an important point they should include in the ability:
Disables the ability of the Nexus to build Probes or Mothership(s) for a time after the ability is cast.

Its the most surefire way of scrubbing out any APM sink-like traits.

[Aldrius]

Isn't this basically the ability I came up with like 8 months ago?

I like this version of it, I guess. I don't really like it on the Nexus, though... and I wonder how much it advances the production and research.

[Blazur]

Things with timers include more than what Karune stated. Like shield and energy recharge, cooldowns, etc.

You misunderstood or I didn't convey properly. In my statement I was referring to any action you commit on a building which takes time to complete. Examples:

- Training of units.
- Committing researches.
- Building production.

Cooldowns, shields and energy recharging are not something I'd assume would be affected by TW.

[Raisk]

Isn't this basically the ability I came up with like 8 months ago?

Seems like everyone and their mother is claiming ownership of this idea already. It's not like it's something revolutionary enough that everyone here hadn't thought of it at one point or another.

Either way, we have to yet to know if it's gonna stick and be final. Also I do wonder about recharge shields/power abilities on the Obelisk and their ultimate fate.

[Nicol Bolas]

Karune did not specifically mention "Building production." And he did not describe the power as generically as you. So I'm still wanting a source for including "Building production" on that list.

Either way, we have to yet to know if it's gonna stick and be final.

They've already said it's going to be in the beta. And if they're shooting for a mid-2010 release date (anywhere from May to July), there won't be enough time to rip out a macro mechanic, add a new one, and still do adequate balance testing/tweaks.

[ArcherofAiur]

Seems like everyone and their mother is claiming ownership of this idea already. It's not like it's something revolutionary enough that everyone here hadn't thought of it at one point or another.

Either way, we have to yet to know if it's gonna stick and be final. Also I do wonder about recharge shields/power abilities on the Obelisk and their ultimate fate.

This is a very old idea from the very begining of the macro debate. Kinda makes you wonder if Blizzard was reading the forums back then: rolleyes:


Also Karune has said the Obelisk and Argus Link are out. Presumably Shield Recharge is too.

They've already said it's going to be in the beta. And if they're shooting for a mid-2010 release date (anywhere from May to July), there won't be enough time to rip out a macro mechanic, add a new one, and still do adequate balance testing/tweaks.

Repeat after me "When its ready."

I think this is an important point they should include in the ability:
Disables the ability of the Nexus to build Probes or Mothership(s) for a time after the ability is cast.

Its the most surefire way of scrubbing out any APM sink-like traits.

Yo dawg I heard you like decreasing macro so we added a decreasing macro effect to your macro mechanic so now you can decrease macro while your increasing macro!