Mothership Update

[Gifted]

I'm honored so many people are so obsessed with me that their life goal is to prove me wrong about something as stupid as the Mothership's attack.

The Mothership does NOT work like the C&C4 Salamander.

And even if does, the fact you think it could "tarnish" my reputation is sad, pathetic, and wholly laughable. You guys need to get out more.

Demo, while he has no proof to provide that it attacks like the C&C Salamander, you have no proof to state that it does not. What we have is a lack of determining data so we can speculate based on the small snippet of data we have access too. For that reason, I believe that in your terms of "fact", we don't have enough proof to provide a truth to any of the data. I advise you proceed with that in mind.

Archer argues the MS can attack like the C&C4 Salamander, ie. it does 4x the damage if its positioned over the target.
I ask for proof.
None is offered.

For the 10th time: Until we see the MS attack from two or three sides of its body simultaneously, you have no proof.

Likewise, until we see the MS attack from two or three sides of it's body simultaneously, you have no proof that it does not act that way.

Unfortunately, this is an example of focusing on problems (caring too much to disprove other's points) than trying to focus on solutions (bring up all viable options regarding it, allowing each to be a possibility until proven otherwise EVEN if they are unlikely)

So Archer is allowed to assume he's right and post baseless, proof-less tripe as truth, but I'm not?

I love the smell of bias in the morning. Get over me, I'm out of your league.

Please contribute to the conversation at hand instead of demean others in the thread.

"So Archer is allowed to assume he's right and post baseless, proof-less tripe as truth, but I'm not? I love the smell of bias in the morning. Get over me, I'm out of your league"

I am open to reading both your opinions regardless of how well you support them, so drop this delusion that this topic is about you vs. archer being right or wrong. You think I'm wrong just because of Archer is in agreement with some of my idea...and you're the one crying bias?

If you disagree with me, feel free to give a counter argument, but don't yap about me holding some illusion that myprediction is a fact upon baseless information. It is a guess based upon observation of the video and the mathematic information available. To be absolutely certain that my prediction is correct would require more data, hopefully a situation where a colossus doesn't choose to attack ms' target at the same time.

Quoted for truth and educational reading.

I love how when I came to these forums Demo was the one who went around insulting everyone. And now Im the only one who can make him lose his mind. Hes been beaten at his own game

Archer, I understand that he's been disrespectful for you, please don't flamebait him. I'm posting this here for a public service announcement to everyone involved, not just you so please don't feel I'm calling you out. ^_^

[Norfindel]

I would only agree about nerfing the MS's damage, if it means that the unit has so many HP, that it would be able to take a lot of stuff down by itself if the damage were higher. Otherwise, it's limited to 1 damn unit, why bother to nerf the damage, if it isn't going to go OP by building 10 of them?

[Triceron]

TBH though, ~20 damage per shot isn't that bad. Might not kill a hydra in a full volley, but there are few units in the game that can. If it did 25 damage, it would potentially be doing about the same damage as 3 broodlords.

[Gifted]

Something to consider is that there could be a + modifier that we're unaware of or unable to determine based on the testing we've seen. It won't get us anywhere to speculation what it is.. but considering that when we're speaking of over/underpowered damage is an option to add variety to our discussion/ideas.

[Jconant]

man...enough wrenches have been thrown in to be puzzled over. Should we really speculate over + bonus damages? =P

[Kimera757]

Likewise, until we see the MS attack from two or three sides of it's body simultaneously, you have no proof that it does not act that way.

We have no proof, but isn't that semi-random and bad game design to have attacks that work that way?

[ArcherofAiur]

We have no proof, but isn't that semi-random and bad game design to have attacks that work that way?

Yes it is.

[DemolitionSquid]

We have no proof, but isn't that semi-random and bad game design to have attacks that work that way?

No, its not.
All units automatically, randomly attack the closest enemy unit to them.
All units only target the enemy unit the player wants them to target if the player tells them to target that unit, ie. micro.
Just because the Mothership is always rotating and has no discernible front of back doesn't mean it will function any differently.
At most it MIGHT mean the Mothership can attack something "behind" it as it moves, but there's no proof of that, the video doesn't show.
At most it MIGHT mean the Mothership can attack from 3 sides at once, but there's no proof of that either.

[ArcherofAiur]

Demo, ee know that the mothership has six cannons and they can all attack. We also know that this multi-positional firing mechanism is a change from the old fire all-at-once mechanism. We also know that C&C4 recently had a similar unit with similar attack cones. We also know that Dustin is a big fan of C&C We also know that only one cannon fires when it is in range and that only two cannons fire when they are both in range.


So what makes you think the number just automatically stops at two?

[DemolitionSquid]

Demo we know that one cannon can attack by itself if it is the only one in range.

Cannons? They're lazers... and I saw two every time the MS attacked in that video.

We know that two cannons can attack if they are both in range.

Two lazers... one attack. Like the Colossus.

We know that the mothership has six cannons and they can all attack.

No, you know that it can fire two lazers, one attack, from any side of its body.

What makes you think the number just automatically stops at two?

The fact I haven't see it do otherwise?

"What makes you think God doesn't exist?"
"I dunno, maybe the lack of proof?"