Terran's Advantage on Island Maps

[ArcherofAiur]

Without going into semantics, let's move forward with the spirit of the thread. Archer, what do you feel about the original post and the subject it creates?

And if you're looking for a source, look into the generic feel of all their questions in the map QA they provided here. Combine that with common sense, and it's quite discernable that the intent is to make the maps as balanced as possible.

http://www.starcraft2.com/features/g...ultiplayer.xml

Oh no I totally agree that they want to make the maps as balanced as possible. But I and many others believe the final balancing will always be map balancing. Dustin has said that they are trying to do as much balancing before map balancing is nessisary (or something like that im paraphrasing) but the statement by Blizzard that the races would be balanced on ALL maps regardless of terrain, placement, resources, etc... would have been news to me. Hence why i wanted to clarify.\

Its also relevant to the discussion. For instance say loading scvs into command centers to fast expand is fun and adds allot to gameplay BUT is imbalanced when the map has yellow minerals island expansions. Depending on your priorities there are two approachs. If you want the races to be balanced regardless of map then you unfortunatly have to lose the ferry scvs ability. Alternatively if you dont need the races to be balanced regardless of map than you can just make only maps that dont have yellow minerals on island expos.

Its almost a question of do you make the race to the maps you want to play or the maps to the race you want to play.

[Santrega]

Oh no I totally agree that they want to make the maps as balanced as possible. But I and many others believe the final balancing will always be map balancing. Dustin has said that they are trying to do as much balancing before map balancing is nessisary (or something like that im paraphrasing) but the statement by Blizzard that the races would be balanced on ALL maps regardless of terrain, placement, resources, etc... would have been news to me. Hence why i wanted to clarify.

Lets just assume blizzard means that races should be able to be balanced on every map as long as its created properly. The goal for blizzard should be to make map balance as obvious as possible, so that any type of map will be balanced for all races.

[DemolitionSquid]

Look at this image.



On this map lies a key balancing feature for this problem. Lets see if you guys can point it out.

[Quirel]

I'd say cliffs, chokepoints, and the fact that all the areas are connected by land... Kinda negate that thing's status as an island map.

[DemolitionSquid]

I'd say cliffs, chokepoints, and the fact that all the areas are connected by land... Kinda negate that thing's status as an island map.

I never said it was an island map. I said there was a FEATURE ON THE MAP that made it relevant to the discussion, and should help clear up a few things.

[Santrega]

I never said it was an island map. I said there was a FEATURE ON THE MAP that made it relevant to the discussion, and should help clear up a few things.

The mirror feature is not going to balance races on an island map... Sorry...

[Hamshank]

Tight choke points are only present

[DemolitionSquid]

The mirror feature is not going to balance races on an island map... Sorry...

Not the feature I was looking for.

Any other guesses?

Heres a hint: They're in the top left and bottom right corners, and they're not minerals.

[Nicol Bolas]

He's talking about the rocks at the Yellow expos. If you have an island where there's only one spot for a CC to land, and you put rocks there, it doesn't matter if the CC can pick up SCVs. It can't land.

[DemolitionSquid]

He's talking about the rocks at the Yellow expos. If you have an island where there's only one spot for a CC to land, and you put rocks there, it doesn't matter if the CC can pick up SCVs. It can't land.

Thank you, Mr. Bolas.