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    Just something that's been sitting on my HD. The index is now an arbitrary strength scale.

    1.5 - Average Human
    3.5 - Malcolm Kelerchian (Wrangler)
    4.5 - Aal Cistler
    5.5 - Average Ghost
    5.5 - Delta Emblock
    6.5 - Kath Toom (%)
    6.5 - Average Spectre
    7.0 - Gabriel Tosh (%)
    7.5 - Colin Phash
    8.0 - Fenix
    8.5 - Jackson Hauler (%)
    9 - Gestalt Zero
    10 - Sarco Angelini
    10 - Sarah Kerrigan (Human)
    10 - Nova
    13 - Average Khalai Protoss
    14 - Protoss/Zerg Hybrid Flashpoint Strain (Newly Awakened)
    50 - Average Zealot
    60 - Artanis
    80 - Average Dark Templar
    80 - Selendis
    90 - Aldaris
    95 - Average High Templar
    100 - Raszagal (old)
    100 - Kerrigan (before Amerigo raid, and after deinfestation)
    100 - Zamara
    100 - Zeratul
    110 - Tassadar (khalai)
    110 - Lekila
    115 - Hybrid Reaver
    120 - Raszagal (young)
    120 - Kerrigan (after getting deinfested)
    125 - Kerrigan (after Amerigo raid)
    130 - Tassadar (twilight)
    130 - Hybrid Destroyer
    135 - Voice in the Darkness
    140 - Average Archon
    140 - Narud
    150 - Primal Kerrigan
    160 - Adun (twilight)
    250 - Hybrid Dominator
    300 - Maar
    500 - Ulrezaj
    (*) - Phoenix Creature
    (?) - Amon

    % = without terrazine augmentation
    * = arbitrarily large

    About Overmind and Cerebrates. I decided not to add them, and that they're very weak. Their psionic strength comes not from them, but from their ability to have their subordinates help them in parallel telepathic processing so they can open worm holes and the like. As an analogy, think of the human brain. It doesn't actually calculate very fast, but it is capable of amazing parallel processing.

    About Tassadar. I have to conclude that he wasn't as strong as so many make him out to be. DT3 says that Tassadar's mental power was as strong as Zamara's, but stronger, in some ways. Of course, we should then take this to mean that preservers should be mentally strong as well. That's why I rated Zamara so high, especially when you consider that preservers probably know every single psionic technique throughout the khalai history.

    I think most of Tassadar's power came from the boost he got by combining Khala with Void. We have to accept the fact that there are Protoss out there who are probably stronger than Tassadar. Adun, for example, was not just described as a powerful warrior, but as one of the greatest masters of the Khala.
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    Hm, seems pretty accurate.

    Funny how everything above 10 is all Protoss and Infested Kerrigan.

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    Anyone care to wager Duran's PI?

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    Interesting, but could anyone explain what a "Voice in the Darkness" is?

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    A few of those figures seem pretty off.

    Sarah Kerrigan was telekinetic before infestation, so she had to have had a PI of at least 8.

    Why does Artanis rate lower than a typical dark templar or high templar? Why are overlords rated so highly? (If the zerg had that much psionic potential, why would they want to infest humans?)

    Otherwise looks pretty decent. IMO you should just rate them in order from low to high power, as no one really knows any protoss PI ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimera757 View Post
    Sarah Kerrigan was telekinetic before infestation, so she had to have had a PI of at least 8.
    ...
    Why are overlords rated so highly? (If the zerg had that much psionic potential, why would they want to infest humans?)
    But you see my problem here? Overlords are telekinetic too, but I didn't want to set them higher than 8. Suggestions? :P

    (I would have actually had to set Overlords far higher than 8, since they're so huge)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimera757 View Post
    (If the zerg had that much psionic potential, why would they want to infest humans?)
    Maybe humans are better than Zerg in that they have a far higher power to brain size ratio. Humans are far more efficient at psionic processing. When you consider the fact that Overlords are basically giant floating brains, yet it's all they can do to hold themselves aloft psionically, it's clear that Zerg suck really bad at psionics.

    With that being said, would it then be ok for me to set Overlords to 8 or higher? (along with Sarah)

    Why does Artanis rate lower than a typical dark templar or high templar?
    The same reason high templar are higher than zealots, who are higher than khalai: training. Artanis is more of a leader than a warrior, and he's very young. Fenix apparently marched across many worlds together with him; I'd bet that Artanis was a lowly Zealot at that time (or more likely just another scout pilot who doesn't care about psionic training).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimera757 View Post
    Otherwise looks pretty decent. IMO you should just rate them in order from low to high power, as no one really knows any protoss PI ratings.
    Not to mention the fact that we don't know what kind of mathematical trend PI follows, or whether it directly measures raw strength. But it just feels good to have some numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gradius View Post
    But you see my problem here? Overlords are telekinetic too, but I didn't want to set them higher than 8. Suggestions? :P
    The suggestion is the PI 8 rule only applies to humans. There's nothing to indicate the zerg follow the same rules at all.

    The same reason high templar are higher than zealots, who are higher than khalai: training. Artanis is more of a leader than a warrior, and he's very young.
    While Artanis is a Scout pilot in-game, I'm pretty sure he's also a high templar. He was trusted to carry the Uraj crystal. Furthermore, age doesn't seem to play that much of a role; Tassadar was younger than Fenix, but a more powerful psychic. And frankly, this is a setting with heroes. For that reason alone Artanis is probably more powerful than the typical high templar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimera757 View Post
    The suggestion is the PI 8 rule only applies to humans. There's nothing to indicate the zerg follow the same rules at all.
    If PI is a measure of raw strength (it might not be, but it probably is), then yes, it indicates exactly that. That's why I used PI. Otherwise I would have used some other arbitrary power index. The only thing that applies differently with Overlords is that they can't use any of their skills for anything other than keeping themselves afloat/issuing orders. Granted, I tried to find a middle ground that didn't satisfy anyone, but I don't think people will be too happy with me making Overlords more powerful than Ghosts, Gestalt Zero, and Zealots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimera757 View Post
    While Artanis is a Scout pilot in-game, I'm pretty sure he's also a high templar. He was trusted to carry the Uraj crystal. Furthermore, age doesn't seem to play that much of a role; Tassadar was younger than Fenix, but a more powerful psychic. And frankly, this is a setting with heroes. For that reason alone Artanis is probably more powerful than the typical high templar.
    Apart from getting caught up in meta storyline/character theorization, I still don't see why any of this implies he's a powerful psychic. Fenix was a Praetor (same rank as Artanis in BW) and a main hero, but that doesn't mean he's a good psychic. The fact that Artanis climbed the ranks, while so young, indicates that he spent most of his time pursuing military strategy. I agree that Artanis has the potential to be a powerful high templar, but the fact remains that there was little to no time for him to pursue that in comparison to others, given his history.

    Furthermore, age doesn't seem to play that much of a role
    If you train in psionics for hundreds of years, you will improve. Age only appears to not be a factor when you have individuals who are more talented than others. Or should high ranks only be restricted to powerful psychics?

    Zealots are defined as warriors who have yet to reach the upper levels of the Khala. This implies that, with more training, they can potentially become powerful high templar, instead of just focusing their psionics on increasing their stamina/speed. If the numbers on my little raw strength list here are remotely accurate, then that could mean a double increase in power due to age/training. We have no reason to believe that Artanis for example, started anywhere except at the bottom, as a Zealot, or maybe even a Scout because "he wanted to join the air force," if you will.

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    This message has been deleted by Gradius. Reason: THAT JOKE IS OVERUSED ><
    That may be true, but you cannot deny that you were practically asking for it.

    If it wasn't him, it would've been someone else......like me.

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