GStar 2009 Videos

[electricmole]

a ton of bc's with defense matrix can't still even beat swarm of hydralisk. thats just looks so dumb. Bc needs the ground missile torpedo back or just increase their ground damage or else they will end up just like they were in sc1.

and mass hydralisk is now really an annoying unit which also doesn't make sense being strong against air units specially in RL. Damn this nostalgic sc1 hydralisk gameplay.

Change more of the damn zerg in sc2!

OK, i see zergling+hydralisk+mutualisk+broodlord(guardian) and ultralisk in the other vid = SC1 zerg all over again. crap.

mass ultralisk = isntant wins. where the banshee for counter? where are the other air units in the vids? bc even lose badly. Air units should be fix and normal in battles.

In RA3 you can go air/land/sea units or mix easily.

[Nicol Bolas]

a ton of bc's with defense matrix can't still even beat swarm of hydralisk.

Yeah, it's so surprising to see that a BC can't fight effectively against units that are designed to kill small number of units with lots of Hp.

This is StarCraft. If you use unit A which is countered by unit B, unit A will die quick and bloody. That's how the game works. The problem isn't with BCs; it's with unit selection. The Terran picked the wrong unit to use against someone going mass Hydra. So you saw a lot of fail. The proper unit could be Siege Tanks, Ravens with HSM, Hellions, or Reapers. Any of these would have been actually effective against mass Hydra.

OK, i see zergling+hydralisk+mutualisk+broodlord(guardian) and ultralisk in the other vid = SC1 zerg all over again. crap.

They will look like SC1 Zerg unless and until players start playing them like SC2 Zerg. You know, using Infestors, Nydus, Overseers, etc. There's no excuse for not having even one of these guys build an Infestor, or to see Infestor Fungal Growth + Banelings absolutely rape some poor Terran going M&M. Or seeing Zerglings swarming units afflicted with Acid Spores from numerous Overseers. And so on.

mass ultralisk = isntant wins. where the banshee for counter?

Banshees don't and can't counter Ultralisks. They have way too many Hp for Banshees to destroy before the Ultralisks finish their rampage.

No, the counter to Ultralisks is... Thors. Hit them with the Strike Cannon (which the Terran player apparently didn't upgrade) and you shave off most of their Hp. Granted, you need more than just 1 Thor.

[MaybeNextTime]

We saw more units being used in play, but overall the quality of the games were lower. I know how units look, I don't need to see that :|

I like to see some nice games, which the BRs were. There was a couple of good games from G-Star, but compared to the video quality and commentating on the BRs it doesn't even come close to the same amount of entertainment.

Including this game? I don't think so. ^________^V

http://playxp.com/nios/view.php?article_id=1895291

[RamiZ]

Including this game? I don't think so. ^________^V

http://playxp.com/nios/view.php?article_id=1895291

Hm, even if the Zerg won, Terran was pretty bad, I mean I know it is a new game for them, but Zerg was trying a lot of things, Terran was focused on Reapers attack which failed in many ways, and then he was focused on Marines and Ghosts, and that are all units he was producing. Oh yeah and 2 Ravens in the end.

[KadajSouba]

Mmmmm i just noticed that.... The zergs have almost the same units as in SC1

Drone, Zerglings, Hydras, Ultras, Mutas, Ovies, Lurkers.

Banelings are like Infested Terrans. They just evolve from another unit instead of being built. Brood Lord is still a freakin guardian. Same graphics, same range, same use. Just new attack. The fact the it evolves from the Corruptor i bet will change by the release. And the Overseer, an SC1 evolved overlord, with a new power (spore cloud), and the freaking useless as hell changeling. The infestor is the new defiler with other abilities. I hope the underground movement makes it to the release, if not... it will be just a new defiler...

So, as really new units, we have the Queen (same name but completely new unit), Roach and Corruptor... Damn

[RamiZ]

Mmmmm i just noticed that.... The zergs have almost the same units as in SC1

Drone, Zerglings, Hydras, Ultras, Mutas, Ovies, Lurkers.

Banelings are like Infested Terrans. They just evolve from another unit instead of being built. Brood Lord is still a freakin guardian. Same graphics, same range, same use. Just new attack. The fact the it evolves from the Corruptor i bet will change by the release. And the Overseer, an SC1 evolved overlord, with a new power (spore cloud), and the freaking useless as hell changeling. The infestor is the new defiler with other abilities. I hope the underground movement makes it to the release, if not... it will be just a new defiler...

So, as really new units, we have the Queen (same name but completely new unit), Roach and Corruptor... Damn

Uh no? You can't watch like that since Zerg STILL has Infested Terrans. And Infestor is more like old Queen on the ground, then Defiler, since it has Fungal Growth(Ensnare), Spawn IT(Infest) and Neural Parasite(Spawn Broodlings). Just my point of view. And if you are looking that way, look at Protoss. They also have 4 new units. Disruptor, Colossi, Void Ray and Mothership, and Mothership is big Arbiter with abilities much alike Arbiters, so it is not really new, it is one big Arbiter so.... yeah...

[electricmole]

its not how many new units each races got, but how many new actual attack units each race have.

The zerg only got 2, the roach and corruptor. They have all 6 core attack units back, zergling, hdyra, mutualisk, lurker, guardian and ultralisk.

toss got 5 immortal, stalker, phoenix, warp rays, colosi.

terran got 6, reaper, marauder, hellion, banshee, thor, viking.

This is freaking obvious. Either people just dont care or they don't want changes with the zerg which doesn't make sense since the toss and terran alrady changed a lot and everyone is still happy about it. So why not the zerg? new units will not make the zerg weak, it will actually create new zerg play style and strategy which is more exciting than using a 12 year old build zerg attack mechanics.

@nicol

bc vs hydras.

I know. But the kill ratio was still ridiculous.

They will still look like sc1 zerg because most of their core attack units are from sc1. Nydus worm, overseer, infestor, walking colony, ain't enough as the toss and terran got their new mechanics/caster/props as well. The problem is the zerg attack units, 6 of them are still very much familiar.

I made the banshee vs ultralisk example to suggest about on how to give the air units more playing time. The ultralisk can't do anything about the banshee.

[sandwich_bird]

@nicol

bc vs hydras.

I know. But the kill ratio was still ridiculous.

I made the banshee vs ultralisk example to suggest about on how to give the air units more playing time. The ultralisk can't do anything about the banshee.

Yeah the kill ratio was ridiculous but the T barely Microed his BC. He just did an A move in the open against 98752843572 hydralisks. That was just retarded. He had to at least move them somewhere where the hydras wouldn't be able to give as much DPS like over the temple structure thing for example. Bring those hydras in a choke and have scv repairing your bc and you can be sure that the kill ratio will be ridiculous in another way.

For the banshee I agree with you. Thor would deal more damage but ultras can't attack the banshee. If z try to counter with muta just cloak.

[imdrunkontea]

I'm not too disturbed by the BCs being slaughtered in that vid. There were only 5 of them, vs like what...24+ hydras? Considering the hydras are basically the Zerg equivalent of Goliaths in SC2, that was to be expected.

[Norfindel]

Yeah, in BW, Hydras also slaughtered Battlecruisers. The BCs are few, and the Hydras are a lot, the difference in damage output is enormous.