IgroMir 2009: imba.Adolf[RA] reports his SC2 opinions

[pure.Wasted]

Only two were mentioned in the most recent info: Neural Parasite and Spawn Infested Marines.

There's a third in Day 3, which was just put up on SCL. It's an AoE Ensnare that, after about 10 seconds, immobilizes the targeted units completely for 10 seconds.

It's an interesting idea to FORCE players to stick around (if they want to protect their immobilized units)... especially in conjunction with units like Banelings and Lurkers.


edit: Raven also has 3.

[Operatoring]

I like him. He agrees that the Helion is a terrible unit and a poor replacement for the Vulture. It is a shitty, un-microable unit that takes no skill to use. Get rid of it.

[DemolitionSquid]

Its called Fungal Spore and it's been in for months.

Infestor
Fungal Spore
Neural Parasite
Spawn Infested Terran

Raven
Passive Detection
Hunter Missile
Auto-Turret
Point Defense Drone

I like him. He agrees that the Helion is a terrible unit and a poor replacement for the Vulture. It is a shitty, un-microable unit that takes no skill to use. Get rid of it.

Have you used it personally? Can you offer proof it cannot be micro-ed and takes no skill? All evidence so far points to otherwise.

[Operatoring]

Its called Fungal Spore and it's been in for months.

Infestor
Fungal Spore
Neural Parasite
Spawn Infested Terran

Raven
Passive Detection
Hunter Missile
Auto-Turret
Point Defense Drone



Have you used it personally? Can you offer proof it cannot be micro-ed and takes no skill? All evidence so far points to otherwise.

Ok. It stops when it attacks, and in the BR reports no one has Patrol-Attacked with it. Seems to me like you just back up, and fire, back up and fire. Rinse and Repeat. Also no mines, less micro and usability in the mid to late game. Scrap it and come up with something more original and interesting and fun to play with and... better.

[Norfindel]

Ok. It stops when it attacks, and in the BR reports no one has Patrol-Attacked with it. Seems to me like you just back up, and fire, back up and fire. Rinse and Repeat. Also no mines, less micro and usability in the mid to late game. Scrap it and come up with something more original and interesting and fun to play with and... better.

If the game has no glitches, Patrol-attack is useless, which makes sense, because the attack command is to attack, and the patrol command is to patrol.

[DemolitionSquid]

Ok. It stops when it attacks, and in the BR reports no one has Patrol-Attacked with it. Seems to me like you just back up, and fire, back up and fire. Rinse and Repeat. Also no mines, less micro and usability in the mid to late game. Scrap it and come up with something more original and interesting and fun to play with and... better.

Just an FYI: that whole "back up, fire, back up, fire" thing has a term. Its called MICRO.

I'm not supporting the Hellion by any means. I hate the thing too.

But your reasoning is bullshit.

[pure.Wasted]

Also Adolf likes Hellions.

I'm pretty sure. He doesn't start out with that, but by Day 2 you can definitely tell his opinion on them has changed, and he talks a lot about the micro he manages to get out of them in the separate match articles.

So... I'm on the fence on this unit, for now. Gameplay-wise I'm liking it, flavor-wise, not really sold just yet.

[Nicol Bolas]

I like him. He agrees that the Helion is a terrible unit and a poor replacement for the Vulture. It is a shitty, un-microable unit that takes no skill to use. Get rid of it.

He said that on day 1. He changed his mind on Day 2.

[Kimera757]

New game, new unit. No surprise it took him a while to get good use out of it.

[emikochan]

Hellions are all about the crossfire, microing them into positions to get maximum flame coverage.

Most likely needs a redesign though, I love the concept too, but that movement - with wheels...just doesn't do it for me.

No-one's come up with an alternative design, It is difficult in 3D, I think even the vulture would look just as bad with the quick turning micro.

Personally the only unit that would match that movemtn would be some kind of spider, 4-6-8 legs with flamethrower on top, not bad, but not very terran..The hellion skitters more than drives.
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I think the immortal is fine, people keep forgetting how hard it hits, it shouldn't be invulnerable too!

On the subject of massive units, the thor is indeed the only one that can hit air too, I don't thinik it would be wise to have super-fast thor micro, they are meant to stand their ground (though I wish the turn speed was slightly reduced). Add to this, dropships flying closer to the ground in general and I think the 3D problem will not be so jarring.