Jim going good or bad?

[ragsash]

If Jim turns bad I will stop playing because of how reatrded that would be. Arthas was ok but I don't want another one.

Starcraft alrdy got one Arthas. and im not talking that evil here I mean more of a less change in his personality like he starts drinking more going for money instead of saving lives starting to prio money more then lifes(as is the first missons you can chose save a colony or get a artifakt to sell and get rich)

so no Anakin skywalker evil here, much much less "evil" more selfish person then the guy who wants to save everybody

[Norfindel]

Starcraft alrdy got one Arthas. and im not talking that evil here I mean more of a less change in his personality like he starts drinking more going for money instead of saving lives starting to prio money more then lifes(as is the first missons you can chose save a colony or get a artifakt to sell and get rich)

so no Anakin skywalker evil here, much much less "evil" more selfish person then the guy who wants to save everybody

Well, he's about to get a riot in his own ship. If he says the men they're going to risk their asses to save one colony from Zerg attack without get payed, maybe they would refuse, or even go straight to the riot. So, they won't only not save the colony, but they won't save anyone else.

[newcomplex]

I would kinda like it, if Jimmy would be a bit more "evil", or atleast realistic, and wouldn't be such an pansy and always trying to be the "white knight", and saving everybody, and helping them, even if it's none of his buiseness. Somethimes you have to make hard decisions and do them, reagardless if you like them or not, and you have to make sacrifices. But sadly Jimmy doesn't understand that. He should be a bit more like Mengs (but not to much )

I like him good, he suppose to be the foil character to mengsk, and they are suppose to be as diametrically opposed to each other as possible.

Starcraft alrdy got one Arthas. and im not talking that evil here I mean more of a less change in his personality like he starts drinking more going for money instead of saving lives starting to prio money more then lifes(as is the first missons you can chose save a colony or get a artifakt to sell and get rich)

so no Anakin skywalker evil here, much much less "evil" more selfish person then the guy who wants to save everybody

Since when is starting to drink or trying to make some money equitable to surrendering your soul to a lich lord, killing all the men who fought besides you, murdering your father, usurping his throne, damning your entire kingdom a undead horde then attemptinh to wipe out all living life (<-lolwut?) off a planet.

If your going to compare anyone to arthas, compare kerrigan.

Somewhat good character who is extremely strong willed[kerrigan/arthas]->Corrupted by a greater evil[Overminds Zerg or Undead under Burning legion control->serves greater evil[arthas's as a commander for undead/burning legion, kerrigan is the overminds prodigy->greater evil is momentarily defeated[Battle of Hyjal/Auir]->Freed of control of greater evil->Trys to break away from greater evil [kills cerebrates/dreadlords]->After all this shit, even after greater evil is gone, character is still incredibly evil.

[ragsash]

If your going to compare anyone to arthas, compare kerrigan.

I never compared Arthas to Jim, thats what I meant by "Starcraft alrdy got one Arthas." I meant it was Kerrigan

[Krikkitone]

Also Arthas helped free the undead from the power of the Infernals, and he finally created a true union of Orcs and Humans (Himself and the Lich King)


However, Jim going the path of weakness and bitter selfishness... very much fits his character history. That seems like a key setup for a recovery though (rediscover courage, sacrifice for ideals, etc.)

Probably at the end of Wings of Liberty.

They will probably be driving Jim's charcter in a certain direction, but you can shape the way it looks at a given time.

So if they have a recovery at the end, is he going be courageously self-sacrificing full of self-righteous rage, or courageously self-sacrificing in despairing fatefulness.

[Visions of Khas]

I like him good, he suppose to be the foil character to mengsk, and they are suppose to be as diametrically opposed to each other as possible.

He only has a few men at his back, morale is down, the group is creating a network with disaffected factions and colonies to move against the oppressors/. He has revenge in his heart; he wants to avenge the deaths of thousands of lives that have been lost under an oppressive regime, and the millions living and suffering under it. And to avenge the loss of his loved ones... Vengence is the key, means and end, and thinks nothing of what might become of humanity after that goal is accomplished.


Now, answer me this: am I describing Raynor or Mengsk? You can't, and that's what excites me about WoL. There are so many things that can be done with this character and campaign.

For all we know, if Raynor gets his goals, it could be for the WORSE for humanity, as any cohesion they once had would be lost, leaving them open to marauding alien powers. I'm just as interested in the consequences of his actions as I am his journey.

[pure.Wasted]

The foil for Mengsk is not "good," it's "impulsive."

Both have done good and both have done bad. What makes Mengsk unique is his calculating, manipulative, and completely compelling, charismatic persona.

If you want Raynor to be the diametric opposite of that, he has to be crude, impulsive, and completely open with his feelings. Good news, you got your wish!

[ragsash]

For all we know, if Raynor gets his goals, it could be for the WORSE for humanity, as any cohesion they once had would be lost, leaving them open to marauding alien powers. I'm just as interested in the consequences of his actions as I am his journey.

how could it be worse for humanity? mengsk sent out zergs to kill most of a planets population (including civilian)
and would continue to do so if he could

[pure.Wasted]

how could it be worse for humanity? mengsk sent out zergs to kill most of a planets population (including civilian)
and would continue to do so if he could

If you don't like Mengsk so much, keep in mind that Jim Raynor is chiefly responsible for Mengsk being able to do everything he did. Who raided the Jacobs Installation for him? Who killed Confederate troops left and right on Antiga, and elsewhere? Who backed him every step of the way until the one person he cared about got killed?

It's not the millions of deaths on Tarsonis that angered Jim, it's the ONE 'death' of the person he cared about. He makes a pretty speech about "all the people [Kerrigan's] screwed over" after Fenix dies, but that's what it takes -- Fenix dying.

Jim is a good guy, and he means well, but he is very directly responsible for a LOT of things going wrong in the SC universe. That's what makes his story compelling.

[Visions of Khas]

how could it be worse for humanity?

Adding to what Wasted said; not to mention that breaking the Dominion would dissolve what little solidarity is left amongst the terrans, reducing them to a number of states, nations, pirates, militia, stray colonies and various organizations vying for control and waging petty skirmishes. Mengsk is, arguably, holding the whole thing together right now, as much of a bastard as he is.

I view him as a necessary evil.