Should Artanis' Age be Retconned Up?

[Norfindel]

Could you tell me where shadow hunters is available on the internet? I've looked for a long time for it and couldnt find it. (Or do you mean only an excerpt from shadow hunters is available, not the whole book)

Sorry, only the excerpt is available.

[Kimera757]

Only the excerpt is available.

[Roland]

I think the idea is that the old leaders, who were represented by Aldaris are really inadequate to deal with the Zerg/Xel'naga threat given their out-dated methods. Like trying to pound the entire Swarm to death and outlawing Tassadar and attacking Zeratul. The Protoss empire desperately needed someone acceptably qualified to lead, but willing to cut traditional corners to save the Protoss, not to mention he has way more persoanl experience with both Zerg and Terran than anyone else available. it's questionable if the older leaders would accept the Dark Templar even given the circumstances because of their taboos, ironically, he may be more experienced that some 600 year old champion of the Protoss just because he has dealt with all factions involved.

[Visions of Khas]

I find it silly and stupid that the Conclave was convinced its strategies were winning the war against the zerg. Of course they didn't know of the hierarchy and chain of command. Yet, years before the invasion of Aiur, the Overmind itself was awed and slightly afraid of the Protoss, convinced that it would lose if it lacked the psychic powers of the terrans. I wonder if the Protoss would have fared substantially better if Tassadar and the Templar remained loyal to the Conclave and obeyed their commands?

[n00bonicPlague]

I find it silly and stupid that the Conclave was convinced its strategies were winning the war against the zerg. Of course they didn't know of the hierarchy and chain of command. Yet, years before the invasion of Aiur, the Overmind itself was awed and slightly afraid of the Protoss, convinced that it would lose if it lacked the psychic powers of the terrans. I wonder if the Protoss would have fared substantially better if Tassadar and the Templar remained loyal to the Conclave and obeyed their commands?

I don't think so.

To me the two things that have shaped the events of the K-sector in the most amazing way are these: Mengsk's betrayal of Kerrigan and Zeratul's first assassination of a cerebrate. Had the former not have happened, the Zerg wouldn't've been even remotely as powerful as they are now. Had the latter not have happened, the the Zerg never would've known about the location of Aiur.

[Krikkitone]

Well... if the first didn't happen and the second did.

The zerg may have still captured a Terran ghost, and if not, they might simply have poured into Aiur with sheer numbers.... the Overmind still gets destroyed, but successfully reforms in Brood War as there is noone trying to stop it... Although I guess that would be a big effect as the UED successfully took control of it, and so without Kerrigan to Worry about, they might have actually conquered the Terrans, and possibly the Protoss in K-Sector.. so that probably would be a big effect. (but there is the role of Duran... he may have sabotaged the UEDs efforts anyways to get on with his project)... so it might have ended up the same. (but without Kerrigan's double crossing, the Zerg might be much more crushed once the UED overmind was destroyed... or not, defeating the UED would probably be just barely, so the zerg would probably have formed a Third overmind...in about the same position Kerrigan was at the end of Brood War


If the first happened but not the second...

Well it would probably be the same, just both the Zerg and the Protoss, and possibly the Terrans, would be more powerful by the time the battle for Aiur happened. It could have ended up going in a different directin because of that (Zerg lose totally, or Zerg Overmind survives and Zerg Win..totally)

[mr. peasant]

I think the idea is that the old leaders, who were represented by Aldaris are really inadequate to deal with the Zerg/Xel'naga threat given their out-dated methods. Like trying to pound the entire Swarm to death and outlawing Tassadar and attacking Zeratul. The Protoss empire desperately needed someone acceptably qualified to lead, but willing to cut traditional corners to save the Protoss, not to mention he has way more persoanl experience with both Zerg and Terran than anyone else available. it's questionable if the older leaders would accept the Dark Templar even given the circumstances because of their taboos, ironically, he may be more experienced that some 600 year old champion of the Protoss just because he has dealt with all factions involved.

The thing about elected leaders, it requires the consent of those under him to follow his lead. If the old leaders have such strong opinions against working with the Dark Templar, they wouldn't have made him their leader in the first place.

[newcomplex]

Another strong possibility that you guys are missing. The most obvious (and dumb sounding) one. That all the old people are dead

D:

Not quite. But something similar. Essentially, the previous judicators and higher tiered officials of the conclave may have been killed off at a sufficient quantity that their simply isn't enough of them to form a workable political party. Protoss are inherently less populous then the Terran, and after having their main conclave establishment raided by tassadar's forces, then the zerg onslaught killing a whopping 80% of auir, their is a strong possibility that Artanis's, an executor, was simply the most fit for service. I wouldn't be suprised if their are only 25-50 remaining conclave who are still politically active, probably from 200 originally, if not less. On the other hand, you have Artanis's, who coordinated the evacuation of auir, saving most of the remaining population of auir, coordinated the salvation of shakuras, and numerous other military victories.

He really is quite an obvious choice.

[Kimera757]

Do we know if Artanis was elected democratically? And for that matter, does he outrank the other five members of the Hierarchy?

[newcomplex]

Do we know if Artanis was elected democratically? And for that matter, does he outrank the other five members of the Hierarchy?

Who are the other five members of the hierarchy? I thought hierarch was a singular rank like the roman dictators of earth, where under times of duress, they give absolute power to the military leader/