THOR and MARAUDER FIX

[electricmole]

Please list all Terran mechs in Starcraft using laser/energy weapons.

thats why im suggesting the thor should be the first one, its big, powerful, and advance looking anyway.

Since terran are capable of having energy weapons, try giving it to the thor.

[Ghost_828]

thats why im suggesting the thor should be the first one, its big, powerful, and advance looking anyway.

Then why are most if not all mech particularly large mech have energy weapons? Why are energy weapons normal to mech if it looks stupid to put them together?

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How many assault mech have you seen with laser technology? Just one or two? I've seen a lot, its already normal maybe much more usual than mechs with projectiles. Almost all mechs have laser or energy weapons. Its normal. How can it be stupid from the design point of vbiew if its normal.

Interesting. Even though the Thor is to be "the first one [carrying laser weapons]", "all mech" apparently carry them. It is even considered "normal", even though it has no antecedent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a weaponized particle accelerator qualify as a directed energy weapon? I mean that IS the thor's primary GTG weapon atm.....

To a degree, yes. However, electricmole, from what I can construe, is actually talking more about the 'look' than the technical details.

[Kknewkles]

I thought that Thor looks better with BIG FREAKEN guns.

[Nicol Bolas]

A) Energy weapons are artistically weak. I point to Phasers and Photon Torpedoes, which ones are more damaging?

That logic doesn't make sense. Any alleged artistic weakness in Phasers is not why Photon Torpedoes do more damage. I'd say that it has something to do with the fact that Photon Torpedoes have a limited supply, so if you're going to bother to stock an ammo-dependent weapon, it had better do more damage than the ones you can basically fire forever.

B) Energy weapons doesn’t allow a punching feel to a unit, only cutting feel. (Babylon 5, all energy weapons were cutting lasers)

That's totally untrue. B5 did have a lot of cutting beams, but there were also energy bolt launchers that had plenty of punching feel.

C) Energy weapons, if used in a projectile (ie Plasma Cannon DoW2) make the projectile feel incredibly weak, or give the unit a pretense of magical properties if the projectile explodes in some sort of energy like way

... What?

I'm not against your conclusion, but the logic you use to arrive at it is dubious at best.

Thors simply need to be made smaller and given the meat shield / focus damage role. The artillery shoulders need to be changed from artillery to simply more guns (ie, focused damage will make the thor use his arm guns along with his shoulder guns) his anti air needs to be much more readable…

Except for the Thor being smaller (and potentially the GtA attack being more readable, but that could just be a clutter issue), all of these are true of the current Thor. The Strike Cannon attack is single-target; no AoE.

What if the Thor's gtg weapon was a shotgun-like cannon?

What would that matter? Since it's an invisible projectile, it's pretty hard to tell the difference between a big shell and a shotgun blast. Unless you're suggesting that the Thor gets an AoE attack.

Energy weapons would look stupid on thor? So energy weapons also look stupid to all other mech?

Why does everything have to be taken as universal statements? That because some 'Mechs look cool with energy weapons, then all Mechs must use energy weapons. Or that it could only be true that the Thor wouldn't look cool with energy weapons if all Mechs don't look good with energy weapons.

The Thor is a specific design. Stop trying to generalize it to all things "Mech".

There is nothing different with the thor from other mechs.

Bull. The Thor is a very large, hunched-over, and unwieldy design. This is very different from the Goliath(a much slimmer Mech, but of the Walking Tank variety), the traditional "anime" Mechs (typified by being more agile and graceful), and so forth. It isn't unique of course, but there are clearly many different kinds of Mechs.

[Pandonetho]

Lasers are sleek, beautiful and flashy light shows. The Thor stands for everything against that, the Thor is a big piece of technology that's supposed to have a menacing feel, not a "I'm going to shoot pretty laser beams from my giant arms" kind of feel.

Secondly, shells take up space, lasers don't, lasers would feel more fitting on smaller units, unlike the Thor which looks like it would be filled up with giant shells ready to be fired.

[Wankey]

Who gives a crap man. This discussion is stupid to be honest. Lasers got pew pew. Cannons got bang. I want a bang on my thor, not a pew pew laser. Got it?

It’s all opinions… and my facts are correct… in my opinion! Photon Torpedoes are bad ass, phasers are not. Heck, even Defiant used projectile cannons (yeah yeah phasers) which look like small photon torpedoes, are way cooler than phasers!

Lasers… no. End of story. Rail guns? maybe. The Razorback already has them. And it fits that sleek unit. Plasma cannons? Maybe. But it’s too distracting (since there is a projectile involved). So why bother? The current cannons look cool, and they work. They fit in the Terran armory. It’s all a big fuss over nothing. This discussion is over.

[Pandonetho]

This discussion is over.

Says who?

[Quirel]

I'm back!

What? From what I have heard, Command & Conquer IV is going to suck!

They have even removed base building for Christ's sake!

Still won't be as bad as ToW2.

This is what im saying. Blizzard can give the thor anything they want as long as its make sense but because of gameplay differences purposes the thor weapon got tweaked down with its weapon choice in someway.

Who say's it has artillery cannons because of gameplay differences?
Haven't you heard us talking? Artillery shells are still cool!

I don’t watch gundam and I only watch few anime but they are mostly about fighting and not sci-fi robots and mechs. I don’t watch anime now last time I watch was more than a year ago. I draw and appreciate animes but im not obsessed.

And yet, it's still a mentality common to anime fans that:
Mechs are advanced technology, and are a hallmark of advanced civilizations.
Mechs require advanced weapons systems that often cannot be mounted on smaller vehicles.

Its not anime mentality. You clearly don’t like anime and mechs.

It depends. Most anime is blegh, with the art style and the storyline competing to see which is worse. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is one exception.

As for mecha, there is good and bad. Whereas the status of the Covenant Scarab as a mech is debatable, the Skynet Centurion and the Terran Goliath were awesome.

But since mech are normal to sci-fi might as well give it energy weapons since its normal as well for sci-fi mechs.

Funnily enough, I hear people complaining that Blizzard isn't original ENOUGH.

Mechs and anime are not the same. If there is a walking mech or robot in the real life future would you say its anime? I think its called the future.

Hardly.
It's futuristic, but mecha will never be used on an actual battlefield. Hence SCIENCE FICTION.

I was joking with the energy weapon name. Why take it seriously.

Because I've run into so many people like you who suggest the dumbest things and actually mean it. I wouldn't have been all that surprised if you were completely serious.

Im not turning it into a gundam, im just trying to turn it into a normal sci-fi mech with better weapon choice. Try to imagine the thor blasting enemy with red energy blast, does it not improve anything visually, awesomeness, badaassness,

Nope. Just gives it a generic sci fi mech feeling.

I believe it does if not then the bc should just fire huge canon shells also. Im comparing the thor and bc because the thor is the terran most powerful ground unit just like the bc is on air,

Reducto ad absurdum. The calling card of internet stupidity.
The Battlecruiser has laser weapons because the features of those weapons provide it with an edge in space. The Thor has them because they provide an edge on the ground.

I know but the thor is just so cool of a unit it needs something better than shells. If only blizzard can show a version of a thor with energy weapons then maybe you will get an idea.

In my campaign to have the Thor sidelined, I've imagined it with just about every weapon, from vertical launch missiles to lasers to flamethrowers to AoE missiles. (My favorite version! Walkurie zu Fuss!)
I prefer artillery cannons.

Well but I believe that energy weapons fits much better for the thor mech. Shells are just mediocre looking for this unit.

No only the thor needs energy weapons for the new terran. It makes it more impressive and more epic looking.

You believe. You believe. That's what this whole thread is about! You haven't offered anything but your OPINION, and yet you are convinced that we are wrong.
That is the best definition of "Fanboy" that I can come up with.

IN sci-fi its normal even for large ground vehicles to have energy weapons. Don’t you know other sci-fi settings aside from sc, sw, and star trek. There are books, games, artworks, etc.

Yes, I do. Halo, War of the Worlds, Starship Troopers (The book, not the craptastic movies) Terminator, Matrix, Castle Wolfenstein, Dune, Ghost in the Shell, Chronicles of Riddick and so much more.
In some, energy weapons are the end-all, be-all. In others, such as Dune and StarCraft, lasers exist side-by-side with conventional weapons, because they have different advantages.

There are millions of sci-fi mechs and im not talking about starwars AT-AT.

I know, and many of them sport energy weapons. Why use what is overused, when what you have is awesome?

Again, its not anime. Im no anime fanboy, I base it on my level of awareness. here are millions of sci-fi mechs and im not talking about starwars AT-AT.

Level of 'awareness'? You?

What is Nippon?

An archaic name for Japan, like Britannia is an archaic name for Britain. It's also the origin of the racial slur "Nips".

No, im somewhere in the middle, I believe the terrans are more in the middle they are capable of having lasers weapon and still be effective using projectiles. Im very open.

You're very open, but you refuse to believe that people would prefer artillery cannons over lasers, assuming that their preference is simply because "They haven't seen it yet."

That isn't 'very open'.

You and the other fanboys thinks the terran are complety like a dystopian society.

They are.
In case you haven't noticed, their entire society was ruled by "Political Families", who had almost complete control over politics and media. The Confederacy was free to walk onto legitimate prospector claims and take them by force. The UNN is just a propaganda outlet.

And then Arcturas Megnsk comes in and promises to change everything for the better, only to revert to the same practices. How is that not dystopian?

And you exaggerate more that they are all about buggies and world war 2 pistols.

All in your head, 'boy'. We've never once mentioned buggies or WWII pistols. We haven't even mentioned HANDGUNS, for crying out loud! What we've been saying is that artillery may be an old principle, but it is an EFFECTIVE principle.

Remember the thor have a red beam coming out when it attacks in the original build. Blizzard was as well open about the terran, and doesn't have the sc1 terran lore fanboy mentality.

And why do you think they changed it? Perhaps it's because the artillery was popular? Or perhaps it just looked better?

I don’t know much about star trek cept for the new movie

Then you do not know Star Trek at all.

I know. So? But sc is still the future. The have huge ships flying in the universe. And energy weapons are no big deal.

StarCraft is Futuristic. Not the future.

Goliath, Viking, and the Robocop mech are fine with shelss, rail guns, and gatling guns they are low class mechs anyway. But the thors look is special so it needs something special as a weapon than your usual shells.

As I pointed out with the "Anime fanboy mindset", you are assuming that bigger mechs are a higher class of mech, and they need a higher class of weapons.

And how are shells 'usual' if most of the other mecha out there use lasers?

Well i cannot show since i don't have anything to show. but you can always imagine, and while your at it try to think of an energy weapon that looks terran, powerful, impressive, devastating, and fitting for the thor. Im sure you can, if you can then you will realized that thor with energy weapon aint really protoss. But if you can't imagine then i dont know what to say.

We are able to imagine it, and we're saying that we don't like that.
What if your favorite flavor of ice cream was "Dysentric Turd". Would you assume that, since everyone was telling you that they don't like it, they weren't able to imagine what it tastes like?

I think so.

its a fact, lets say the bc originally has only missile in sc1, and you see the new sc2 bc with its laser battery now, will you not be impress or think its cooler or better. I do. I can imagine this for the thor.

No, it's not a fact. It's your opinion.
And while I would agree that laser batteries are a good idea for the BC, analogy is always suspect, and your analogy is weak in the first place.

Well, try to be open and imagine. Yes sc1 terran fanboys because of your close minded views of what the terran are about and what they can and not have.

Well, I'll abandon my usual derision of hypocrisy, and simply use an old India proverb.
"You cannot throw mud without getting some on yourself."
You are not just throwing mud, you are pissing in the wind.

But since you're full of shit in the first place, I guess it doesn't matter if you get some ON you.

The damn bc have lasers batteries. The thor can have it for sure.

Why does the BC have laser batteries? Because of engagement speed and long distances.
Why does the Thor have artillery shells? Because of indirect fire and small engagement distances.

You've used "imo" three times, along with other words connotating opinion.
Face it, you just ain't bringing hard facts to the table, just a fanboy's whine.
And while it was entertaining for the first few times, I suggest dropping off the site for a while, and then coming back with a new name. What little reputation you had isn't going to survive this.

[unentschieden]

It´s Sci-Fi but with advancing Time the Sci get´s less Fi. Energy weapons are nicely futuristic but with advancement of ACTUAL energy weapons they loose their future magic a bit.
The Terran faction is supposed to use what humans might have in 500 years on top of Sci-fi classics (FTL travel for visiting different Planets, Gravity so you don´t have to make Starship scenes in Zero-Grav...)
Lasers are quite demystified compared to about 10 years ago.
In reality energy batterys are at best equivialent to conventional ammunition, "power"or damage is always weaker compared to a equivialent physical projectile, if merely because there is a piece of metal in the Target. There are serious heat management issues and they can be blocked by loving smoke! Their actual advantage isn´t "futureweapon" or magically unlimited ammo but unbeatable accuracy.

Basically, new weapons/technology actually sucks until developed to the point where they can completely replace the prevailing standart - swords werent made reduntant by muskets but by early Machineguns, like the original Gatling.

[Operatoring]

Theorycrafting FTL. The game isn’t even in beta and somehow you’ve figured out how to “fix” an assumed “problem".

This post and ever post like it are retarded. Why post on a forum when the game isn't out if you aren't going to theorycraft? If we didn't think about the problems with the game, every thread would be "I think SC2 will be good!" or "I think SC2 will be bad!". To which you would undoubtedly reply, "You don't know that yet, the game isn't even in Beta."