THOR and MARAUDER FIX

[electricmole]

I completly agree with this. Keep the motherfuckingly big ass shells and the explosions! Energy weapons can, sometime, be cool but you know, they should only be used by the Protoss so that we keep more diferences between the races. Terran = shells, Protoss = lasers

This is what im saying. Blizzard can give the thor anything they want as long as its make sense but because of gameplay differences purposes the thor weapon got tweaked down with its weapon choice in someway.
I agree about the importance of races weapon uniqueness, but I doubt that giving the thor energy weapon will make the terran similar to the protoss. First of all they have less energy weapons anyway and adding one won’t make any difference. Terrans energy weapons visuals differ much from the protoss. And Terrans have lasers and the next fitting unit to have it is clearly the thor.
Remember the original thor when it fires a red beam comes out from it. But in BR4 it shoots like a shotgun. The weapon is a particle accelerator, so i think a particle red beam comes out from it. Problem is it look weak and pew pew like, that is not my idea. My vision is to give it intense powerful red fireball energy like attack similar to the bc.

Advance apologies for the biting, sarcastic tone here, but as Wankey said:


Add to that the nearly anime-fanboy attitude of Electricmole, and we've got ourselves some fun here...


If only we had a +- modding system, I'd make several more accounts just to + mod this guy. .

I don’t watch gundam and I only watch few anime but they are mostly about fighting and not sci-fi robots and mechs. I don’t watch anime now last time I watch was more than a year ago. I draw and appreciate animes but im not obsessed.

You know, I'm getting sick and tired of seeing this anime mentality applied to the Thor. I don't like the unit, but I KNOW that adding LAZZERZ! and NARUTU BLAZTZ! ain't going to make it better. If there's anything more bland or meh, it's giant, indestructible mechs with lasers and energy cannons coming out the...

OK, drop it. .

Its not anime mentality. You clearly don’t like anime and mechs. But since mech are normal to sci-fi might as well give it energy weapons since its normal as well for sci-fi mechs.
Mechs and anime are not the same. If there is a walking mech or robot in the real life future would you say its anime? I think its called the future.
I was joking with the energy weapon name. Why take it seriously.

No. But I know that turning it into a Gundam or whatever the Hell you're thinking of ain't going to improve anything. .

Im not turning it into a gundam, im just trying to turn it into a normal sci-fi mech with better weapon choice. Try to imagine the thor blasting enemy with red energy blast, does it not improve anything visually, awesomeness, badaassness, I believe it does if not then the bc should just fire huge canon shells also. Im comparing the thor and bc because the thor is the terran most powerful ground unit just like the bc is on air, and as said its normal for mech to have energy weapons just like in other sci-fi settings.

And energy weapons are so inherently better than shells, it would take a blind man to not realize that they're oh so much better? .

I know but the thor is just so cool of a unit it needs something better than shells. If only blizzard can show a version of a thor with energy weapons then maybe you will get an idea.

Besides the fact, of course, that shells work well for artillery, given that they can fire in an arc? Or be guided after firing? And pack as much energy as a laser in the first place? .

Well but I believe that energy weapons fits much better for the thor mech. Shells are just mediocre looking for this unit.

Hey! Why are the Terran Marines still using SOLID SLUGS for their Gauss rifles? Get them some lazerz man! They're fighting with 500 year old technology!
OH MY GODZ! WHY ARE WE DEPLOYING ACTUAL PEOPLZ TO THE FRONT LINES! GET THE ROBOT ARMIES UP! .

No only the thor needs energy weapons for the new terran. It makes it more impressive and more epic looking.

And I can't believe that you actually think that Jap anime mecha is a good model. A little too much StarCraft Manga has gone to your head, my friend. .

No not anime.

Which would suck, given that the Battlecruiser and the Wraith BOTH fight up in space, where long engagement distances necessitate the speed-of-light lasers. .

IN sci-fi its normal even for large ground vehicles to have energy weapons. Don’t you know other sci-fi settings aside from sc, sw, and star trek. There are books, games, artworks, etc.

Since the Thor is a surface unit, meant to dish out overwhelming firepower on an unsuspecting base, the shells work fine. .

I know. But imo energy weapon is more badass and epic for this unit.

Not counting Japanese Anime/Manga, other universes have lasers because they have lasers. Oddly enough, the Rules of Cool, which say how much damage a given weapon system will do, do not apply across franchise boundaries. .

Exaggeration with terran nostalgia. Terran have lasers. Power armor of marines I believe is more expensive than a laser pistol. They have and they can make lasers, but they will still relay on shells because its awesome as well. But not for the thor imo.

Let's take an example of what I hope you are referring to. The Star Wars AT-ST, much smaller than the Thor (I believe. That thing was kinda lanky) was equipped with dual laser cannons.

In Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, we saw it blowing apart trees, but not much else. Sadly, whatever utility it might have had against feral teddy bears was diminished by the Stormtrooper Effect, where the Emperor's best legion was defeated by the aforementioned teddy bears.

The AT-ATs, despite being larger (possibly larger than the Thor, in height) with more room for power sources and larger weapons, were curiously deployed without artillery or air support.
And so, their weapons, though formidable, did not do the damage that a modern day artillery shell would have done.

Though long and not quite pertaining to the conversation, my point is thus:
Lasers may look KEWL! to an anime fanboy, but that doesn't mean they are going to perform better than artillery shells in the arena where artillery shells are used. Besides, a lot of people prefer a huge artillery gun over a little laser with a huge cooling system. I know, it's hard to believe, but you must try to understand. .

There are millions of sci-fi mechs and im not talking about starwars AT-AT.

Again, its not anime. Im no anime fanboy, I base it on my level of awareness. I believe the thor would look more impressive with energy weapons because its an advanced powerful looking unit. Energy weapons fits the thor unit. Period. Not because I like lasers.

ITS not a little laser or a pew pew pew for the thor. It will look similar to this
http://larcenciel-11.deviantart.com/...-role-84984812

As opposed to getting lasers, and looking like every other mech that comes out of Nippon? .

What is Nippon?

And you, of course, know more about the Terrans than the guys at Blizzard themselves.
My hat is off to you, oh Lord. .

No, im somewhere in the middle, I believe the terrans are more in the middle they are capable of having lasers weapon and still be effective using projectiles. Im very open.
You and the other fanboys thinks the terran are complety like a dystopian society. And you exaggerate more that they are all about buggies and world war 2 pistols.
Remember the thor have a red beam coming out when it attacks in the original build. Blizzard was as well open about the terran, and doesn't have the sc1 terran lore fanboy mentality.

Because all of a sudden, it's become an either-or battle. Either use 17th century cannon balls, or Trekkie (Because everybody KNOWS that Star Trek is so much better than any other sci-fi franchise) laser arrays. .

I don’t know much about star trek cept for the new movie

And the need to use it, because lasers are automatically better than artillery shells in every conceivable application. Obviously. .

No. But its better for the thor because its a powerful advance mech and terran have energy weapon capability, its fitting just like the bc.

Can I point something out to you?
This is Science Fiction. It is not the future. It is not the future. It is not the future. Repeated in case you somehow didn't understand it the first time around. .

I know. So? But sc is still the future. The have huge ships flying in the universe. And energy weapons are no big deal.

If this was the future, autonomous robots would be doing the Terran's fighting for them. If this was the future, biological Terrans would not exist, because all of humanity would have uploaded themselves into computers by now. .

What are you talking about. Yes they can hava those but that wont be starcraft universe anymore. But giving the thor energy weapons is still definitely is starcraft.

Again, the Thor doesn't exactly NEED lasers, as opposed to more practical weapons such as artillery shells and rail guns.

They can have any of the two. Its just a matter of choice. Imo energy weapon is fitting, since it’s the most powerful ground unit of the terran and its a huge sci-fi advance mech and base from other sci-fi settings it deserves something better than shells to make it more epic, iconic, and impressive.

Goliath, Viking, and the Robocop mech are fine with shelss, rail guns, and gatling guns they are low class mechs anyway. But the thors look is special so it needs something special as a weapon than your usual shells.

NOTE: the energy weapon i suggested for the thor is for its normal attack with the 2 arm guns and not a special ability or back part weapon.

[Nicol Bolas]

Remember the original thor when it fires a red beam comes out from it.

That wasn't a beam. It was simply the tracer from the shell it was firing. The Thor never had a directed energy weapon.

I know but the thor is just so cool of a unit it needs something better than shells. If only blizzard can show a version of a thor with energy weapons then maybe you will get an idea.

The obvious question is this: what makes energy weapons "cooler" than shells? Why are shells not "advanced"?

[Pandonetho]

Obviously he's stuck with the mentality that "we use shells in modern warfare, so in the future, we shouldn't use shells because it means we haven't advanced in technology" which is a fallacy.

[Caliban113]

No, MechCommander had no macro. None. No buildings, no unit production, no resource nodes.

You picked your 'Mechs and your pilots beforehand, and that's what you used. The most you got was the ability to spend a limited quantity of money to repair units on the field and to salvage crippled enemy 'Mechs. Everything else happened between missions.

Pure tactics.

Hmmm....I somehow missed your earlier post. Have not heard of that game. Have to say, if you forego the whole macro thing, that actually sounds pretty fun.....like an 'installation' level with added depth.

Okay, you win, but LOTR is still pretty much an ant farm.

[electricmole]

That wasn't a beam. It was simply the tracer from the shell it was firing. The Thor never had a directed energy weapon.



The obvious question is this: what makes energy weapons "cooler" than shells? Why are shells not "advanced"?

ok, but a visible beam coming out is still impressive looking for the thor arm guns.

Energy weapons makes the thor mech cooler and impressive. its not that energy weapons will make any kind of terran units cooler. Terran marines with stromtroopers laser blaster ain't cool, it's gay.

DOW humans and space marines have a lot of cool units with shells as weapon, but they know what needs shells and what needs energy weapons to look cool.

[Pandonetho]

Energy weapons makes the thor mech cooler and impressive

Alright seriously, everyone is getting tired of this.

Where is your "fact" that backs up your claim that energy weapons make the Thor cooler and impressive? Because it certainly sounds like you're saying it as a fact.

[rcp181]

Energy weapons as on a thor don't sound like something I would ever expect to see coming from the terran. Aside from the wraith/BC laser, all of there weaponry is ballistics/flame thrower?

Energy beams sound like something a protoss unit would have =/

[Ghost_828]

I know. But imo energy weapon is more badass and epic for this unit.

"imo" = in my opinion (keyword is "opinion"). Thusly you have no factual grounds for arguing your point. Please try again.

You and the other fanboys thinks the terran are complety like a dystopian society.

So, we are fanboys for not wanting lasers? Makes sense.

[electricmole]

Alright seriously, everyone is getting tired of this.

Where is your "fact" that backs up your claim that energy weapons make the Thor cooler and impressive? Because it certainly sounds like you're saying it as a fact.

Well i cannot show since i don't have anything to show. but you can always imagine, and while your at it try to think of an energy weapon that looks terran, powerful, impressive, devastating, and fitting for the thor. Im sure you can, if you can then you will realized that thor with energy weapon aint really protoss. But if you can't imagine then i dont know what to say.

Are you completely impress with the way the thor attacks now? How about the thor with the red beam coming out in the original terran demo video.

its a fact, lets say the bc originally has only missile in sc1, and you see the new sc2 bc with its laser battery now, will you not be impress or think its cooler or better. I do. I can imagine this for the thor.

Energy weapons as on a thor don't sound like something I would ever expect to see coming from the terran. Aside from the wraith/BC laser, all of there weaponry is ballistics/flame thrower?

Energy beams sound like something a protoss unit would have =/

Coming from the terran? Anyway its a damn thor not your regular low tier units like marines, marauders, etc. Attach an improvised smaller version of the ion canon to the thor, that is very terran to me.

"imo" = in my opinion (keyword is "opinion"). Thusly you have no factual grounds for arguing your point. Please try again.

So, we are fanboys for not wanting lasers? Makes sense.

Well, try to be open and imagine. Yes sc1 terran fanboys because of your close minded views of what the terran are about and what they can and not have.

The damn bc have lasers batteries. The thor can have it for sure.

[Ghost_828]

Well, try to be open and imagine. Yes sc1 terran fanboys because of your close minded views of what the terran are about and what they can and not have.

Because, of course, one inherently becomes a narrow-minded, unimaginative fanboy should one disagree with your opinion.