What kind of retcons do you think will justify the plot of StarCraft 3?

[ragnarok]

I liked LoTV Artanis. I think he’s a good example of an interesting static character. His resilience and good attitude were endearing. Nobody took it on the chin more than him and he got back up every time. He was brutal and annhilated his enemies with the full power of the Protoss but still managed to fight honorably unlike Kerrigan.

In a way Gradius, this was why a part of me DID agree with you back then on the battlenet forums when you were trying to predict LotV's ending, and you said the moment Amon was beaten Zeratul would just slit Kerrigan's throat and say "Raszagal sends her regards."

The whole honor system is only intended for a for who has a moral code in return, and since you continue to insist her had no moral grounds.... (now granted I certainly felt her morality was VERY seriously lacking too)

[Nissa]

I liked LoTV Artanis. I think he’s a good example of an interesting static character. His resilience and good attitude were endearing. Nobody took it on the chin more than him and he got back up every time. He was brutal and annhilated his enemies with the full power of the Protoss but still managed to fight honorably unlike Kerrigan.

I object to your statement only because it's "Artanis." The SC2 incarnation seems to have just about nothing to do with the BW incarnation, which pisses me off. Now, if you like what they did with him in SC2, I could respect that if the character had a different name. That's it. A name swap and I would be fine with everything. Well, not everything, but everything related to the character.

Honestly, I don't like how Artanis' leadership was presented in LotV. He was just a newbie who was doubted by Aldaris and guided to some extent by Zeratul. He wasn't ready for such a big leadership role, and it makes more sense for him to be part of a military council, with separate civilian leadership.

[ragnarok]

Honestly, I don't like how Artanis' leadership was presented in LotV. He was just a newbie who was doubted by Aldaris and guided to some extent by Zeratul. He wasn't ready for such a big leadership role, and it makes more sense for him to be part of a military council, with separate civilian leadership.

Recall in the short story Artanis: Sacrifice that he originally didn't want this role, as his role was intended to be that of a templar. It just shows the Conclave's influence during Aiur's days, where Templar are largely not allowed such positions of leadership

[Turalyon]

I object to your statement only because it's "Artanis." The SC2 incarnation seems to have just about nothing to do with the BW incarnation, which pisses me off. Now, if you like what they did with him in SC2, I could respect that if the character had a different name. That's it. A name swap and I would be fine with everything. Well, not everything, but everything related to the character.

Honestly, I don't like how Artanis' leadership was presented in LotV. He was just a newbie who was doubted by Aldaris and guided to some extent by Zeratul. He wasn't ready for such a big leadership role, and it makes more sense for him to be part of a military council, with separate civilian leadership.

Didn't you know that "4 years passed" explains every single change and non-change from Sc1/BW to Sc2?

[ragnarok]

Didn't you know that "4 years passed" explains every single change and non-change from Sc1/BW to Sc2?

You said it was more due to a completely new writers team, from what I recall (I'll have to look again)

[Nissa]

Didn't you know that "4 years passed" explains every single change and non-change from Sc1/BW to Sc2?

It's just bad writing all around. Not only should we have been shown some sort of transition, but also it oversimplifies everything to give the Protoss only one leader. At least the original had the decency to state that the Conclave consisted of many people.

[Gradius]

I object to your statement only because it's "Artanis." The SC2 incarnation seems to have just about nothing to do with the BW incarnation, which pisses me off. Now, if you like what they did with him in SC2, I could respect that if the character had a different name. That's it. A name swap and I would be fine with everything. Well, not everything, but everything related to the character.

Honestly, I don't like how Artanis' leadership was presented in LotV. He was just a newbie who was doubted by Aldaris and guided to some extent by Zeratul. He wasn't ready for such a big leadership role, and it makes more sense for him to be part of a military council, with separate civilian leadership.

Meh. I've seen fan campaigns before SC2 came out that had him as the leader of the Protoss. That's pretty much the status quo in BW anyway during the battle of Omega, what with Zeratul having run off and him taking charge. He was a young upstart that was seen as too inexperienced for his rank literally the whole time.

[Turalyon]

It's just bad writing all around. Not only should we have been shown some sort of transition, but also it oversimplifies everything to give the Protoss only one leader. At least the original had the decency to state that the Conclave consisted of many people.

Yeah, I kinda subtly implied all this with my statement.

There are some higher-up Protoss in this Daelaam like Selendis and the Dark Templar Vorazun but you can't really tell since they're put on the wayside (by being mind-controlled by Amon) as in the case of the former or have so little impact to the story and largely non-entities in the case of the latter that they're easily forgotten. I literally just now had to go looking for Vorazun's name because I had forgotten!

[sandwich_bird]

It's just bad writing all around. Not only should we have been shown some sort of transition, but also it oversimplifies everything to give the Protoss only one leader.

Doesn't help that he looks nothing like his BW self. I get that he had to dress up but even morphologically it's a different entity all together.

[Gradius]

My biggest pet peeve is the voice. Artanis had such memorable vocal effects in BW, with his pronounced long echo/delay. I got the effects kind of close in Subjection and I’m a rank amateur. They didn’t even try. They’re just like it “fuck it, we need effects for generic Protoss guy #4 and we’re on a deadline so go whip something up in 5 minutes”.

In fact, they really didn’t give a crap about replicating any of the voices in SC2, like at all. This is especially jarring with the “Overmind”. When he came on in my first play through I was just like “who the fuck is talking and what is this crusty ball doing?”. Fenix was especially embarrassing. Artanis says “His voice, his thoughts, his very presence. He describes memories we shared with such vivid recollection. Every instinct I have tells me this is my friend”

Uhm, no bruh. Unless you happened to be friends with Optimus Prime too, this guy sounds absolutely nothing like your friend.