StarCraft 2 was announced 10 years ago today!

[TheEconomist]

Fine. Sample size of 5. 10. 15. 20. Doesn't matter. You need a sample size of 1,000 to even begin to analyze anything in Economics. I've heard you can go as low as 400 for obscure medical inquiries. Political questionnaires, which are notoriously misleading, routinely have problems from having about 200 Either way, more than you have, therefore, statistically inconclusive, to say the least. Especially when your sample is non-random and non-representative of the population .. and when it goes contrary to what larger aggregate say.

Also, a lot of people have never heard of The Witcher 3. Doesn't mean it didn't break review records and sell in the multiple millions. Meanwhile, Diablo III was the fastest selling PC game of all time, it was trash, and still many people don't know about Diablo.

[KaiserStratosTygo]

"If SC2 is dead, so is BW. And so are all non-MOBA/FPS games. No moving goal posts."

BW is a 20 year old game, SC2's last expansion only came out 2 years ago, SC2 has 0 excuse.

"Also, seek therapy. You rehash the same shit over and over and get yourself into a rage. Who the fuck cares?"

lol, What rage? the only rage here is coming from you, my dude. go be a hypocrite elsewhere, lmao.

Take your own advice, buddy.

"You're overreaching. Many people still play it, so there's definitely an appeal somewhere even if you can't see it."

Never said there wasn't one, I just don't understand what it is, because it hits all the wrong notes, its like doing an elegant piece of music entirely in G major, its just dissonant.

"Now... if you had said C&C4 instead, I'd be all aboard."

That piece of shit just straight up killed the franchise : (

that literally is a dead game. I think I got about 2 hours into it and quit, I remember sometime in 2011/2012 where I lost the CD and was like "and nothing of value was lost"

[ragnarok]

C&C4 was so bad I got it for free and felt ripped off because I had to spend time downloading the damn thing.

I'm surprised you actually got C&C4. I mostly just watched it off youtube and that was enough for me.

[KaiserStratosTygo]

I'm surprised you actually got C&C4. I mostly just watched it off youtube and that was enough for me.

That's what I should've done, but alas....

[sandwich_bird]

SC2 is a great game by most sensible objective metrics you can come up with or with any realistic comparative analysis you can make. You might not personally like it, but the fact that it's "good" is fairly undeniable and arguing against this is pretty futile. Just check the metacritic... http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/st...ngs-of-liberty

Though it is irrelevant, I'd like to point out that I still think the story is damn stupid and there are definitely things I prefer about SC1 but I still appreciated the whole package.

[ragnarok]

That's what I should've done, but alas....

When I first saw the previews for it and saw how different it was, I decided to watch a little bit off youtube first (once the game was out and people did LPs), and THEN decide if I should buy it or not.

[TheEconomist]

You can reminisce about the peak of SCBW eSports if you want, but the fact is, for most people, SC1 MP was a choice between Big Game Hunters and Fastest Map Possible. From there the only variation was whether you have the noob ally who couldn't survive the six pool, the noob ally who who failcannons, or the noob ally who just plain doesn't have the APM to kick it. SC1 with wide variation in skill was infuriating at the time. Match making and map variation alone make SC2 vastly superior in actual playing. I remember having to wait in lobby for ten minutes just to get someone to play something that was BGH/FMP, and even then it had to be a Blizz map because people wouldn't play maps they had to download. The whole ICCUP serious melee grind was only a few years out of my decade or so of playing the game.

That is why I am anxiously anticipating SC Remaster. Time to REALLY enjoy SC to the fullest. And I'll be gotdamned if I ever play Big Game Hunters again.

[KaiserStratosTygo]

I don't know, I had to deal with playing the same 2 or 3 maps in Populous 3 as well for YEARS and it was a blast, because the core gameplay was good enough to hold the game.

same with SC1, yeah BGH got old as did Lost Temple (I didn't bother with FMP because that shit suuuuuuuuuuucked) but the core gameplay for SC1 was just so good and fun that I could deal with playing the same few maps

(and btw I managed to get non-bgh/lost temple melee games every now and then, though it was a lot of twiight maps for some reason.)

SC2 might have a lot of played maps (in melee, in the arcade its the same dogshit every damn day, there is no excuse for this with the unlimited complexity of the editor) the game might have all those maps but with a shitty gameplay style to hold it up, its basically window dressing.

"That is why I am anxiously anticipating SC Remaster. Time to REALLY enjoy SC to the fullest. And I'll be gotdamned if I ever play Big Game Hunters again."

We agree on this at least, I've been training (against the BWAI) on some of the popular korean maps, hopefully those will be used more often in the US.

[TheEconomist]

You have clearly been driven insane by nostalgia so I can't really find a place to get in to actually debate with you so I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

We should game in SC:R though. After you've sobered up from a few SCBW games and remember the game for what it really was (my recent replay binge definitely put things in perspective) then maybe we can enjoy this new SCBW experience. Assuming you can pass for at least a platinum level player after you practice, that is. I've already done ten years of carrying noobs in SCBW team games and I'm not doing anymore now that there's match making

[KaiserStratosTygo]

"You have clearly been driven insane by nostalgia "

I don't think you know how "nostalgia" works.

nostalgia can only function if it's in the past, I haven't gone more than a month since 2003 without playing a StarCraft I game.

"then maybe we can enjoy this new SCBW experience. Assuming you can pass for at least a platinum level player after you practice, that is. I've already done ten years of carrying noobs in SCBW team games and I'm not doing anymore now that there's match making "

I'd probably get my ass kicked, I've played for years but I think i reached my cap due to my slow keystroke speed, but yeah, we should duke it out one of these days, nonetheless.