SC3 Plot Ideas

[ragnarok]

Yeah, if that traitor Tassadar had gone ahead and purified Mar Sara, everything could have turned out completely different. Or if he'd vaporized Tarsonis instead of landing and fighting the Zerg on the ground, maybe Kerrigan never gets infested.

True, but that wouldn't have changed anything for Amon. Remember what Duran said to Zeratul in Dark Origins: Kerrigan's integration into the swarm merely sped up his progress. Based on that, he would have brought his master back anyway.

[GnaReffotsirk]

I would appreciate it greatly if someone could list the things Kerrigan did in BW and prior, after her infestation, that made her evil.

I'd like to know, since I couldn't find it by playing BW. I want to know them honestly.

Also, what do you guys think about her internal motivations? Is she really murderous, how?

[ragnarok]

I would appreciate it greatly if someone could list the things Kerrigan did in BW and prior, after her infestation, that made her evil.

I'd like to know, since I couldn't find it by playing BW. I want to know them honestly.

Also, what do you guys think about her internal motivations? Is she really murderous, how?

Well for the moment, take out the events of SC1, since people could argue she was under the Overmind's spell.

Aside from killing Fenix, corrupting Raszagal and forcing Zeratul to kill her certainly sealed the deal. Killing the UED (despite that Raynor admitted she had a point about them) and planning to rule over the sector can count just fine. Remember, this is before the events of SC2. No one knew she'd gather the swarm back to Char and disappear for a few years.

This is explained in the DT Saga Twilight, where RM Dahl admitted to Selendis she would see why the Protoss hated her so much.

[Robear]

and forcing Zeratul to kill her certainly sealed the deal

Kerrigan was genuinely surprised that Zeratul did this, it wasn't her plan.

[ragnarok]

Kerrigan was genuinely surprised that Zeratul did this, it wasn't her plan.

Yes, but as Zeratul pointed out, better death than life as a slave.

And as Jake Ramsey was explaining to him in the DT Saga Twilight, Kerrigan's actions in corrupting her already killed Raszagal anyway, so therefore Zeratul wasn't responsible for her death.

It's exactly one of the reasons why LONG before Blizzard even thought of SC2, many had wondered if Zeratul would take a similar dark path and force a scenario for Kerrigan to kill Raynor as his retribution.

[DonnyZeDoof]

I think another question is whether Kerrigan is still considered evil by the end of Legacy of the Void? I mean she became an Xelnaga and defeated Amon? Is that enough to redeem herself of all the wrong that she did?

[Turalyon]

Also, obligatory caveat that Protoss, also, and quite more so, get caught up on morality.

Being a fictional creation of idealised humans by humans, of course the Protoss are going to be hung up on morality.

I would appreciate it greatly if someone could list the things Kerrigan did in BW and prior, after her infestation, that made her evil.

I'd like to know, since I couldn't find it by playing BW. I want to know them honestly.

The problem here is that you haven't defined your standards for what is "evil". You can define it many ways but knowingly manipulating people (even if they were dupes or "deserved it") so that they can meet her own ends and then bringing untold and unwarranted suffering on those she had "pretended" to help earlier (Raynor and Zeratul) doesn't really win her any favours. She shows apathy toward Raynor's reaction after killing Fenix and Zeratul's anguish at feeling forced to kill Raszagal. She also revels in the prospect of "toying" with these people presently in and after BW, as well. Her selfishness harms others - that is considered, by some, to be evil enough.

Also, what do you guys think about her internal motivations? Is she really murderous, how?

You don't have to be murderous in intent to be classified as evil. If you bear ill will toward others and act in a way to elevate yourself at the knowing detriment/harm of others, that's bad. If you don't care about how your actions affect others or worse, take pleasure of some kind at the detrimental effect of your actions on others, that's another layer of evil. Kerrigan in BW shows all these traits.

I think another question is whether Kerrigan is still considered evil by the end of Legacy of the Void? I mean she became an Xelnaga and defeated Amon? Is that enough to redeem herself of all the wrong that she did?

Of course, the story says so, so it must be true!

Really, for redemption to work satisfactorily in a story, there has to be some sort of sacrifice or recompense of the person that is to be redeemed. Kerrigan has nothing of this since she steadily just keeps getting handed untold power and is forgiven by the one person who would always forgive her eventually anyway (and happens to be not dead after being "killed" near the start of HotS) such that and all she really loses, is her "looks". Then, this one and only problem is resolved (if it was even a problem to begin with) when she becomes a god that can do anything, up to and including getting the man and having powers to create life to "make up for what she did". The story of Kerrigan in Sc2 is not one of redemption, it's one of Mary Sue.

[ragnarok]

You don't have to be murderous in intent to be classified as evil. If you bear ill will toward others and act in a way to elevate yourself at the knowing detriment/harm of others, that's bad. If you don't care about how your actions affect others or worse, take pleasure of some kind at the detrimental effect of your actions on others, that's another layer of evil. Kerrigan in BW shows all these traits.

Not all of that is her fault entirely, you know that. The Confederate ghost program started it all, especially given that it was designed for ghost operatives to be nothing but automatons.

Really, for redemption to work satisfactorily in a story, there has to be some sort of sacrifice or recompense of the person that is to be redeemed. Kerrigan has nothing of this since she steadily just keeps getting handed untold power and is forgiven by the one person who would always forgive her eventually anyway (and happens to be not dead after being "killed" near the start of HotS) such that and all she really loses, is her "looks". Then, this one and only problem is resolved (if it was even a problem to begin with) when she becomes a god that can do anything, up to and including getting the man and having powers to create life to "make up for what she did". The story of Kerrigan in Sc2 is not one of redemption, it's one of Mary Sue.

You and your mary sue BS. The main problem again with her is that Kerrigan didn't understand humanity except the most cruel aspect it was capable of. This is something that takes time to understand. It doesn't occur instantly, nor for that matter in days and months. It takes many years for it to work out. If there never was an ascension, it still would have taken her years of learning from Raynor to understand this.

Besides, the whole untold power was never intended for her to use as the way she thought. That's why there's the speculation the whole ascension was never a reward in the first place.

[GnaReffotsirk]

WAIT! When Kerrigan betrayed her allies, did she like destroy Korhal and civilians there? She said to Mengsk something like, "do you really think I'd let you come into power again?"

Or was that referring to Duke, that Mengsk needs him to regain power?

[Visions of Khas]

WAIT! When Kerrigan betrayed her allies, did she like destroy Korhal and civilians there? She said to Mengsk something like, "do you really think I'd let you come into power again?" Or was that referring to Duke, that Mengsk needs him to regain power?

I think Kerrigan would have killed civilians without remorse back in those days. Most of Korhal was still a blasted wasteland back then, with some cities, as evident in Mengsk's inauguration broadcast, so I think Kerrigan just concentrated on the military encampments.

If she hadn't conducted that surprise attack, I wonder how much larger the Dominion and Protoss retaliatory fleets would have been over Char Aleph.